Missing Man in "Ex-Gay" Program?

Me a gay man, not Lesbian woman PJR dude...Jean is French for John if you must know and is pronounced like Sean (yes, the weird world outside the US gives girlie names to men!)...For the record, I don't agree with your claims at all...Don't count me in among supporters. Just stating the obvious about how horrific general gay lifestyles/behaviors/attitudes are, while acknowledging that this is mostly due to social oppression while growing up...I have always been and will always be gay however because this is who I am and there is nothing wrong with that. Asking me to change, is exactly like asking a heterosexual to become gay...Clear? Moving on...

Excuse me PJR, but DO NOT persume you know anything about my life or my struggles with God. Where do you get off on telling me God will strengthen me through my weakness? You do not you know me or anything about my life. I have wondered since I was a kid why God put this in my life. I am not going to engage in a religous debate with you, but I will tell you that the God I have come to know is a God of pain and torture who gets off on the misery inflicted on his creation. If this were not so he wouldn't have made the world the way it is. Gods help? I have asked him repeatedly and it has got me no where. Ask, Ask, and reask I have been doing that for nearly 20 years; could it be God doesn't care? I dont want to die I want to live, but whats the damn point if there are people like you who are going to tell me I choose to be gay?

It makes no sense. Pretending to be straight is considered a success by these "ex-gay" programs. That's not success, that's denial. I think I'll just start pretending that I don't need to lose 15 pounds! But I still can't get into my 30-waist jeans! Perhaps there's a Biblical passage someone can quote to me about this. LOL

Hmm PJR....I can't say I've ever wished to be hetero....but maybe my bi opinion doesn't count...

Yea, right. Gay groups are only in it for the money. That sword cuts both ways. The people that make their living performing reparative therapy stand to lose their entire livelihoods if society accepts a more positive model of gay people. Exodus, NARTH, and all the other groups that rake in money off of gay people's misery will all be out of commission. And since they are all so closely allied to the Christianist fascist cause, your people in turn try to keep them in business by putting the screws on gay rights legislation. SHAME!

Jessie, it seems I'm making progress, as at least you off the gay agenda genetics argument and actually agreeing with me that it's environmental against choice in nature, with the only real question how many how early or how late! But again, getting hung up on the success rate is besides the point. If some gay wants to try, what's the big deal? Don't put any credence into the APA's gay agenda driven politics scare tactics. There's not evidence that anyone that's gone through this suffers detriment. The only oppression going on here is gay on gay, ie gays who don't want to admit there's a choice involved hating on gays who just want to give it a try and see for themselves! Frankly, this is all about money. GLAAD and other gay agenda groups make more money the more gay lifestyle people they can retain. Numbers are limited in the first place, so the potential to take away 33% of those limited numbers, and dollars, is a gay agenda revenue killer! GLAAD has obviously crunched the numbers!

Yes, none of the volumes of scientific and medical research we've quoted is valid. We all need to bone up on the REAL scientific treatises on homosexuality presented by Focus on the Family, the Family Research Council, and Exodus. That's where PJR does all of his research on homosexuality.

PJR I would like to know. Are you a homo like the rest of us. Or are you one of those straight people who really have nothing better to do? Just posing a question. Oh yes and your a tool.

PJR says stats say 1 in 3 are successful. Which stats are those? And what exactly do they mean by "successful" because all ex-gays still say they struggle with homosexual urges and it still requires a lifelong effort to maintain a heterosexual persona. All the peer reviewed research continues to solidify that sexual orientation is basically fixed early in childhood or even before and that orientation is not what these programmes change, just external behaviour. All the same, ex-gays need sympathy and understanding from the gay community as they live in conflict and self-hate in a desperate attempt to be accepted by a judgemental society and a God they believe will punish them for who they are. That is a soul crushing burden to bear. I speak from experience. To live authentically as a gay person, free from guilt, with confidence in God's love is my sincere wish for them. Peace.

Jean, I'd bet dollars to donuts if I sat down and had coffee with you for a few days of good stuff kibbitzing, you'd say you indeed wish you could live hetero! In fact due to family and children pulls, I never met a lesbian gal that didn't hold that feeling deep down. Per the fellas quoting the goofball science political opinion only and totally useless APA, trying to use their nonsense as scare tactics about harm, (seriously who's done more harm to humans than the pscyhology profession?) well there's only one rule the pscyhology fellas and fellerettes got right that in the end they use as basis for all diagnosis, and that rule is "you do what you want to do". Of course, this is not some big pscyhological discovery, just borrowed from eons of human common sense that works!