N.Y. Marriage Lost ... For Now

Again, Conservative is on the Moon. He clearly doesn't read the news... doesn 't hear about the right's wingnut accusations du jour...... Anyway, discussing politics obviously is not your strong point, maybe you should stick to the rest: "porno, acting, writing, working out, reading, cooking, drinking, and getting and giving head."

Typical liberal doesn't want to talk just attack people personally, okay have it your way. No i don't care about googling people's SN because I don't plan on attacking people no matter what comes up. BYE

Conservative, I feel so bad and embarrassed for you right now. Have you ever Googled your AIM SN? Thanks, but no thanks.

Jake, Believe me I am the first to speak in favor of SSM. I am against civil unions. I just think that our approach is more direct, compatible to the issue, and strictly intellectual in a positive manner in which we place the good of society as a whole first. Once you understand these tenets, you will understand why so many are against marriage equality and how many are instead for gay-marriage. You have to pick the right argument in order to win. I know you are an intelligent person and I know what you want to do is meaningful, but there are ways to do things and there are ways not to do things. However I invite you or any other person on this board to continue to discuss this with me further. I am online yahoo IM and AIM my SN is josesdream (yahoo) and MJoseOC (AIM).

The thing is that it's not frustration about "The Issues." I, like a lot LGBTs, will shake my head at yesterday's events, but we'll keep on keeping on because it's the right thing to do. It's better than talking about Republican solutions. What it is is a pure frustration with people like you, the people who abandon what should be their cause replacing it with what's easier. I bet you'll be a happy camper when we achieve full equality, I bet you'll even tell your grandkids you helped. I really hope you can redeem yourself by making a difference in the world. Instead of buckling at the knees in the face of adversity, maybe you can learn it's possible to make a difference, to help evolve the way people feel about The Issues. I'd rather die a thousand times in pain than to settle for civil unions.

Jake, I don't offer meat and potatoes because I don't say what you want me to say. And I can articulate versus your verbal assault. I understand your frustration. But i don't understand the politics behind it. Read very slowly what I said about equality. If you couldn't understand what was said then that goes to show you how ambiguous this whole "equality" thing is. The bottom line is this: do you chose equality or marriage? I chose marriage because that is more feasible. I think that is what you want too, so I would suggest you do the same. Iraq as you know is taken over by zealous religious mullahs so it is way different then here. And when people do not accept SSM it doesn't mean that they are fascists. It means that we didn't make the argument. My rule of thumb is that fascism at its core is when you FORCE others to do something they are unwilling to do or say. I can say that is what the left is doing, trying to force me to pay for other people's mistakes. (Bailouts)

And also Jeffery: What else do you know about the "Family" besides whatever MADvocate wants you to believe. Here is what I know, "The Family" is one of many fraternities in Washington. There hundreds of them. And there many like the "Family" who are religious in nature which include dems and reps. I reject that this very small fraternity has any power over another nation. From what I understand is the Roman Catholic Church, a more powerful organization, that was behind the Uganda bill. Uganda executes gays at a smaller rate then say Iran. There is also persecutions of religious minorities in that country. Do they matter too? Yet this liberal congress still supports this regime with money and arms. Maybe is something the liberals should address in congress? Maybe they should get the courage to cut off anymore aid to that regime. I think that is better solution than to go after one small fraternity, only because its membership happens to be conservative.

Conservative, will you please articulate? You rant and have no meat and potatoes. Also, please don't tell me I should leave anything on the battlefield, you ingrate. Fascist propaganda and rhetoric have done large amounts of injustice to the progress we must secure as a nation, that is why I'm upset. I am more upset with trolls like you... people who discount the rightful anger of New Yorkers. As far as what I fought in Iraq... it would probably be best classified as fascism... the conservative side of the spectrum. It looked all too familiar. Perhaps if you could get off your fascist monstertrucking free-market ass and pick up an M4 then you'll learn the importance of learning from other countries.

Mark, Now you really will piss of the DNC, since they are kings of taxes. I have a better idea why don't you support the GOP so we can lower your tax burden. Or is this not a serious discussion and all you want to do is make a dumb statement. And figuring what you said about weddings you also wish not to be invited to one, because the mere sight of a traditional wedding sickens you. After all your yammering, bitching, what achievement will come out of this? How will this lead anywhere? Point A (Yelling at a wedding) and Point B (state recognition of same sex marriage)

Jake, I would like to thank you for your service. However, I don't appreciate the aggression, maybe we should leave that in the battlefield. You say you are for equality, how much of it are you for? Just enough for us which is self-fulfilling or embrace "full equality" meaning no matter the person, he or she and they stand for, they in essence are equal to you? I don't believe in this equality hypothesis, just look at me, I'm not equal to you, you are liberal and I'm not, That is not equal. You serve, and I have not. That is not equal. And what about the KKK, skin heads and Nazis and their equal rights? In the name of equality are they equal to you and me? Well I know they are not equal to me at least. I reject them. And yes I know my history, that was my minor in college, so I will be happy to discuss our nations' history with you. You pick the topic... And fascism, isn't that what you were fighting against in Iraq? So why compare me to a fascist murderous dictator.