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Story Updated : February 02, 2010 09:20:00 AM

DADT: The Beginning of the End?


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Department of Defense secretary Robert Gates and Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, will announce during a Tuesday hearing in front of the Senate Armed Services Committee steps they intend to take toward altering the way “don’t ask, don’t tell” regulations are enforced.

The joint appearance is the first of its kind in the 17 years since the gay ban was initiated, but it’s not clear if the Obama administration’s strategy will also include pressing for congressional repeal even as the Pentagon makes internal adjustments.

During the White House press briefing Monday, The Advocate asked if President Obama envisioned “a dual track” where DOD reworks the policy as legislation is moving through Congress.

“I think you'll see efforts on a number of fronts over the course of the next many months that will be outlined by Secretary Gates, outlined by Admiral Mullen, the chair of the Joint Chiefs, to address what the president promised — again, dating back to his Senate campaign in 2003 and 2004 — to seek the overturning of "don't ask, don't tell" a number of different ways,” said press secretary Robert Gibbs.

Meanwhile, Gates was asked at Monday’s DOD briefing if the policy was addressed in the budget.

“The budget doesn't address it,” he said. “Stay tuned 'til tomorrow.”

Representatives of the Palm Center, a California-based think tank that studies sexual minorities in the military, released a statement saying they expect one of the Pentagon’s regulatory changes to include what type of information triggers an investigation into someone’s sexuality.

The change would “protect some service members from investigations based on third-party allegations and set a new standard for what constitutes reliable sources and credible information that trigger a ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ investigation,” read the statement.

Eliminating third-party investigations would solve a “small slice” of the problem, according to Dixon Osburn, who cofounded Servicemembers Legal Defense Network and served as executive director for 13 years. But Osburn said third-party outings account for only about 5% of SLDN’s clients.

But if, for instance, DOD also excluded what Osburn referred to as “a zone of privacy statements” that people sometimes make to family, friends, and counselors, that would help solve “a big problem,” he added.

Changing the investigation procedure is something SLDN recommended in several reports dating back to the mid ’90s.

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Reader Comments
  • Name: d
    Date posted: 2/3/2010 5:47:14 AM
    Hometown: raleigh

    Comment:

    I must agree with Dieter. If Jay from Tucson is gay then he is the most self hating, self deprecating Republican bootlicker I have ever encountered online. Please do not feed the animal. He is obviously not gay.

  • Name: Jason
    Date posted: 2/3/2010 4:12:54 AM
    Hometown: NZ

    Comment:

    I suspect the same people who don't want to gays to serve openly will have the same attitude in twelve months time. They refuse to understand so they will never understand. They don't like gays fullstop.

  • Name: dieter
    Date posted: 2/2/2010 10:11:44 PM
    Hometown: sacramento

    Comment:

    everyone please just ignore Jay..he is a rightwing nutjob plant with the sole purpose of innundating gay web articles to incite gays into acting harsh towards him, so he can report back to his mom Maggie Gallagher about everything we say. Clearly Jay is a clueless dolt with the personality of a paper cup, and when you reply to him, he eats it up...PLEASE DON'T FEED THE TROLLS!!!

  • Name: Jay
    Date posted: 2/2/2010 6:46:03 PM
    Hometown: Tucson

    Comment:

    exTucson, to explain it to you simply, it's not that simple.

  • Name: Jay
    Date posted: 2/2/2010 6:39:46 PM
    Hometown: Tucson

    Comment:

    Clayton, I think you're correct about a "stop loss" order. And it's something I've advocated in the past. It is, however, temporary. It would at least slow things down until a repeal could be passed. For the rest of the posters who are into the pissing contest here...there's a big difference between a stop loss order and "an exective order that would end DADT."

  • Name: exTucsonan
    Date posted: 2/2/2010 6:28:32 PM
    Hometown: Not Tucson

    Comment:

    @jay, you said, "Let's see, DoD announces that it is starting to change policy on DADT, and is looking into how to fully integrate gay servicemembers." Gee. Here's a bunch of soldiers. "Any of you gay?" Some raise their hands. "OK, you can now openly serve in the military." Wow - look at that, jay - they're now fully integrated. DONE. How long did that take me? WHAT THE FUCK MORE NEEDS TO BE DONE, JAY? We keep asking that question and nimrods like you keep saying that "Progress takes time". WHY? WHAT THE FUCK NEEDS TO BE DONE, JAY? Be specific. Or as specific as some hick from Tucson can be. What a dirty little backwater. I'm SO glad I left. Just too many dolts there - gay AND straight.

  • Name: Sam B.
    Date posted: 2/2/2010 6:18:20 PM
    Hometown: Menlo Park

    Comment:

    I still don't get this: If *I* out myself - then I'm kicked out, since my fellow soldiers will KNOW I'M GAY. If someone OUTS me, then I'm openly GAY and serving and it's OK, but my fellow soldiers STILL KNOW I'M GAY. Do you think they're going to be able to make the subtle distinction between the two? Will me staring at them in the shower room be less "icky" if I've been outed than if *I* outed myself? These IDIOTS are supposed to be smart enough to run our country and our military and they're making asinine decisions like THIS and on top of that expect US to go along with their idiocy??? Sorry - they have another thing coming.

  • Name: Clayton
    Date posted: 2/2/2010 5:51:48 PM
    Hometown: chicago

    Comment:

    Obama could order a 'stop loss'. But full legal repeal would still have to go through Congresst. Before DADT not allowing gays in the military wasn't law it was just policy. It's my understanding that once DADT was signed into law the idea that the Pres could issue an executive order to allow gays in was taken off the table. I'm afraid to be optimistic.

  • Name: Jay
    Date posted: 2/2/2010 5:31:21 PM
    Hometown: Tucson

    Comment:

    Ben, what are the specific executive orders which overturned Congressional Legislation you refer to? And please don't use the military segregation issue, as there was no law enacted by Congress requiring segregation, so it doesn't apply.

  • Name: Jay
    Date posted: 2/2/2010 5:21:08 PM
    Hometown: Tucson

    Comment:

    Ben, let me ask you this...Do you think, given the current make-up of the US Supreme Court, it would be wise to have this issue litigated before them? Given the conservatism of the court, it's unlikely they will rule affirmatively for LGBT.

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