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The California Marriage Tug-of-War

While marriage activists debate 2010 vs 2012, without an amendment to California’s state constitution, marriage equality may be an issue that is not going away anytime soon.


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In California the new mantra among marriage rights activists can be boiled down to a three-word question: “2010 or 2012?”
 
For supporters of same-sex couples’ right to marry, the debate over challenging 2008’s Proposition 8 state constitutional amendment banning legal marriage for gay and lesbian partners has become about whether you support putting an initiative seeking to repeal Prop. 8 on the ballot in November 2010 or two years later. At times the discussion has gotten spirited.
 
There is also a potential complication that hasn’t been widely discussed: Marriage equality supporters in California could face opposing referenda from anti–gay marriage activists indefinitely, creating an expensive and time consuming back-and-forth that would force marriage equality proponents into permanent campaign mode.
 
“Everyone is lost in the 2010 versus 2012 discussion,” says Chad Griffin, board president of the American Foundation for Equal Rights, the group behind a federal lawsuit filed by prominent attorneys Theodore B. Olson and David Boies on behalf of two same-sex couples who were denied marriage licenses in California. “We need to dig a little deeper to see what we are arguing for. It’s an absurd position to be in.”
 
What’s absurd to Griffin is that while supporters of marriage equality debate 2010 versus 2012, their opponents could easily be having their own discussions about mounting a ballot initiative in 2012 or 2014 that would once again ban legal same-sex nuptials.
 
“Would it shock me if we prevailed in 2012 and a group tried to take it away in 2014?” asks Marc Solomon, marriage director for LGBT advocacy group Equality California. “It wouldn’t shock me at all. That’s the way the California system works.”
 
California is unusual even among the 17 or so states that allow for voter-driven constitutional amendments via the ballot box. The rules in California state that anyone who can get valid signatures from registered voters equal to 8% of the votes cast in the last gubernatorial election (currently around 700,000 signatures) and follow a series of relatively easy rules can get a state constitutional amendment on the ballot -- one that needs only a simple majority to pass.
 
Some other states require a higher percentage of valid signatures from gubernatorial voters or require a percentage of signatures based on presidential election vote tallies, geographic distribution, or the overall number of registered voters. Although Massachusetts requires a lower percentage of signatures from gubernatorial voters than California, the Bay State constitution doesn't allow initiatives to overrule judicial decisions.


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  • Name: Me
    Date posted: 10/11/2009 1:07:28 PM
    Hometown: LA

    Comment:

    2010 PLEASE! Isn't Obama up for reelection in 2012? Haven't Obama's goons taught us a lesson in 2008 yet? Our best chances are when Obama goons have no reason to come to the polls.

  • Name: Eden
    Date posted: 9/22/2009 1:54:22 PM
    Hometown: San Bernardino

    Comment:

    Most of these comments are more depressing than the article. Blaming the African American community, stooping to publicly planning for the death of voters, ignorantly misrepresenting the popularity of Newsom (who is overwhelmingly behind in the polling, only gay folk and extremists support him, and conservatives would crawl over broken glass to make sure he is not elected). The most telling comment, however, was the first. "They can't decide", "they aren't ready", "they weren't ready"...but "maybe we'll win rights.." The poster may be from Chicago, but as long as the work and organizing is "they" and only the winning is "we"...the movement is in trouble. How about everyone do some work for our rights? And if you can't be bothered with such things...at least think twice about your criticism.

  • Name: Jane
    Date posted: 9/19/2009 5:38:12 PM
    Hometown: Los Angeles

    Comment:

    As a member of the straight community, it is my opinion that the LGBT community must go back to the ballot at every opportunity until there is no more debate over marriage equality. Why do I say that? Because, in my opinion and that of others in the straight community, whether you choose to wage the war sends a strong message to the rest of us. If you do not go back to the ballot in 2010 you say to us that, "yeah, we'd like to have the right to get married, but it's not important enough for us to fight for it." And, if it’s not that important to you? Then why should the straight community be all that concerned? This is my personal opinion and why I’m proudly working hard to repeal Prop 8 in 2010 and in 2012 and in every election until there is no more debate. Jane Wishon straight Ally Women 4 Equality (AWE)

  • Name: Jane
    Date posted: 9/19/2009 5:37:10 PM
    Hometown: Los Angeles

    Comment:

    As a member of the straight community, it is my opinion that the LGBT community must go back to the ballot at every opportunity until there is no more debate over marriage equality. Why do I say that? Because, in my opinion and that of others in the straight community, whether you choose to wage the war sends a strong message to the rest of us. If you do not go back to the ballot in 2010 you say to us that, "yeah, we'd like to have the right to get married, but it's not important enough for us to fight for it." And, if it’s not that important to you? Then why should the straight community be all that concerned? This is my personal opinion and why I’m proudly working hard to repeal Prop 8 in 2010 and in 2012 and in every election until there is no more debate. Jane Wishon straight Ally Women 4 Equality (AWE)

  • Name: Jeffrey Taylor
    Date posted: 9/19/2009 10:43:17 AM
    Hometown: San Francisco, California

    Comment:

    I am distressed that Mr. Lisotta did not include any quotes from anyone involved in Restore Equality 2010, the group currently working to add Proposition 8 to the 2010 ballot. This coalition of activists adopted a statewide grassroots organizing structure on August 29 that covers all areas and populations, elected an Interim Administrative Group to oversee the signature-gathering effort and is conducting Town Halls to elect local representation throughout the state. I am equally distressed that this article did not discuss the Courage Campaign's raising funds to conduct research on ballot language for a 2010 repeal, nor did it discuss Marriage Equality group Love Honor Cherish's efforts to do the same. All of the above are well-developed efforts that have been reported in local gay press, and I feel the Advocate does the LGBT public a disservice by not giving these efforts Equal Time. Full Disclosure: I am a member of the above-mentioned IAG, but I am not writing on their behalf.

  • Name: Joe
    Date posted: 9/16/2009 1:28:38 PM
    Hometown: Los Angeles

    Comment:

    We need to go the poles in 2010. I am sorry if I'm not politically correct but in 2012 blacks will overwhelmingly come to the poles to re-elect Obama. Nothing brings black people to the poles like Obama does. Unfortunately, there is still a great amount of homophobia within the black community. Don't belive what politically correct people are trying to tell you. Blacks did vote 70% YES on 8. In fact, they probably voted more like 80% yes. And because Obama brought so many of them to the polls they made up about 10% of the electoral votes in California. Gavin Newsome is running for governor in 2010 and will bring in a lot of liberals and youngsters and San Franciscans with him. We need to do what Harvey Milk did in 1978. According to polls the Briggs initiative was initially going to pass by 60%. BUT it failed and only 40% voted for it. Keep on going door to door. Keep talking to voters. And let's overturn this ugly mark on our Californian constitution in 2010.

  • Name: Kevin
    Date posted: 9/16/2009 10:53:41 AM
    Hometown: los angeles

    Comment:

    To put it all in perspective, the choice between 2010 and 2012 is whether or not the movement has down enough grassroots work. How many people truly understand what they are voting on. Not to mention the fact that the chest of money to carry this discussion on in a balanced way must be huge due to the influx of finances that will be received to keep things as they are. If the people are not willing to get out there and start talking about it now and put together a well talked about debate in every way possible then it is best to put it off until 2012. The last thing is really in 2012 there will be more open minded kids and the older ones that are stuck will die. So really the differences are a lot more difficult to understand which way to go than a simple can I get enough signatures. Really enough signatures is easy.

  • Name: Brian
    Date posted: 9/16/2009 9:13:38 AM
    Hometown: Chicago

    Comment:

    I remain, to this day, absolutely sickened over the passage of PROP 8. The California Supreme Court legalized gay marriage, only to pretty much say in so many words months later that they had made a mistake. How does this happen? How do people, living in the 21st century, STILL get to decide the rights of their fellow citizens at a ballot box?!? There's only one word for that: REPREHENSIBLE!

  • Name: Marci
    Date posted: 9/15/2009 10:16:11 PM
    Hometown: Coral Gables

    Comment:

    Taking gay marriage back to the ballot in 2010 or 2012 is extremely risky, as most of the same voters who voted in 2008 would be voting in future years as well. As much as I hate to remind everybody: gay marriage was voted down by 52.5 percent of the vote. We all want to pretend that it was barely passed, a 51-549 margin. That half a percent OVER 52% is equals thousands and thousands more votes. I'm sure I'll get lots of negative comments for saying this, but I think that we should save our money and wait a few years. Wait a few years, so that media coverage on soaps and reality shows of the GLBT community can continue to saturate straight people into getting used to the idea of gay marriage; and wait a few years so that more OLD people who are such a consistent hamper to our equality die off and younger voters who favor gay marriage are the ones going to the polls to give us that 51-49 vote the OTHER way...

  • Name: tom
    Date posted: 9/15/2009 6:52:58 PM
    Hometown: slc, ut

    Comment:

    2010 would obviously be best. 2010 will have a much lower black turnout since obama won't be on the ballot. and we've seen where the vast majority of california blacks stand on this.



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