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Aravosis v. Tobias on AmericaBlog

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John Aravosis of AmericaBlog was not happy with how the Democrats handled — or didn't handle — the unsuccessful effort to preserve marriage equality in Maine. So the blogger wrote a post about it and ended up launching a mini war with a high-ranking gay member of Obama's party.

Aravosis's post centered on an e-mail blast he heard the Democratic National Committee sent out shortly before Tuesday's election. The missive reminded Maine Democrats to vote, but there was no mention of Question 1 or the same-sex marriage issue. Apparently, another e-mail was sent to Maine Dems urging them to contact five people in New Jersey and ask them to support Jon Corzine's reelection (Corzine lost). Among other things, Aravosis took umbrage at the Democratic Party for presenting Corzine as a priority but not marriage equality.

Then a DNC representative told Aravosis that those messages were not sent. Later, DNC treasurer Andy Tobias admitted that the messages were indeed sent, which infuriated Aravosis because he believed that the DNC rep — who spoke off the record — had lied to him.

Aravosis's post on the matter sparked hundreds of comments, including 11 from Tobias. While many AmericaBlog readers spoke of cutting off money to the Democrats, Tobias defended his party.

"As these comments show, you are being quite effective in turning people against support of the Democrats," Tobias wrote to Aravosis. "That, by definition, helps the Republicans. Can that serve the interest of the equality we are all working towards? Do you, too, see only a 'hair' of difference between Obama and Bush? Pelosi and Boehner? Harry Reid and Mitch McConnell? Tim Kaine and Michael Steele? Really?"

The folks at AmericaBlog were unconvinced. In a follow-up post on Friday, blogger Joe Sudbay wrote, "The DNC and the White House see the gay community as an ATM. Well, the GayTM just ran dry."

 

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  • Name: Ray
    Date posted: 11/9/2009 6:33:01 PM
    Hometown: Auburn, Maine

    Comment:

    President Obama has a lot on his plate. It is important to me and my friends that we have jobs, a decent place to live and civil rights for our families. My sexuality and identity is important to me - but other realities need attention too. In Politics, numbers, momentum and timing, perception and support determines whether an initiative succeeds or fails. Its gets pretty complicated. Yes keep the pressure on the Dems - but don't expect instant relief. That's how the game is played. Like it or not - our politics make us creatures of the Left. Now you know, there is no room for us in the Republican party. I like what Chung Fang had to say - he probably said it better.

  • Name: newz4i
    Date posted: 11/9/2009 10:19:01 AM
    Hometown: Phoenix

    Comment:

    Kevin,Owen, I hope you're still here. I'm not donating any more money. Uh, it's too cheap. I agree with Owen: we're on our own. There are lots of web sites to help us "organize." Do you have any suggestions as to just one of them ... so we CAN organize "on our own"? The web is powerful; Obama found that out. Palin's tweets cause the Far Right to spiral into a tweeting frenzy. You two are wherever you are, I'm here. Let's use this tool and rile up some tweeting feathers. HELP !!

  • Name: Owen
    Date posted: 11/9/2009 12:55:35 AM
    Hometown: West Hollywood

    Comment:

    Kevin, I do get it, what I was trying to intimate was that instead of donating money to the DNC or HRC or organizing for America etc., you should donate your money, if you're going to donate money, to places that directly help the gay community. I'm all for civil disobedience, I was raised in ACT UP and was part of how effective it was. Just let me know where and when and I'm there.

  • Name: Kevin
    Date posted: 11/9/2009 12:20:18 AM
    Hometown: Ft. Myers

    Comment:

    Owen, I'm not trying to be rude here, but you don't get it, do you? Throwing money at something is not going to solve the problem. Civil disobedience is the only thing that is going to work.

  • Name: Owen
    Date posted: 11/8/2009 11:34:53 PM
    Hometown: West Hollywood

    Comment:

    Could you all just donate money to non-profit organizations that help gay people? WE ARE ON OUR OWN PEOPLE!!!

  • Name: newz4i
    Date posted: 11/8/2009 8:25:13 PM
    Hometown: Phoenix

    Comment:

    The loss in Maine can't hold itself in the news for less than a week. The Advocate isn't even attracting much interest. Gays are accepting themselves as second-class citizens. Notice? To find this out ask your friends if they knew what happened in Maine. Ask them in they know what's the next front (state) for anti-gay attacks. Basically the next play on the scene is more important.

  • Name: Laurent
    Date posted: 11/8/2009 7:15:38 PM
    Hometown: Ottawa, Ontario

    Comment:

    J.L. Barnes it is nice to sit up in Toronto and say no action, I am a Canadian and what a hypocrit you are, We have the right to marriage, we also have a Prime Minister that if he could get a majority would take the right away and force the Supreme Court to hear the case. The court at the time of Chretien was more liberal on the protectiuons of our Charter allowed. The current court does not have the same mindset thanks to Harper. As for Obahma, I recall during the primaries, an OpEd piece in the Advocate warning about Obahma and that his word was useless, he made claims like he was against the war overseas and vcoted against it, yet he hadn't been elected to the Senate yet, he was still a state rep. When he saw that Hilory's support of gays was going to put her ahead in key areas, he turned his charm and charisma on gay people to sway their vote. Hilary had 20 years of support on her side, but the majority of gays decided to back someone who didn't even have a record of support.

  • Name: Laurent
    Date posted: 11/8/2009 7:14:57 PM
    Hometown: Ottawa, Ontario

    Comment:

    J.L. Barnes it is nice to sit up in Toronto and say no action, I am a Canadian and what a hypocrit you are, We have the right to marriage, we also have a Prime Minister that if he could get a majority would take the right away and force the Supreme Court to hear the case. The court at the time of Chretien was more liberal on the protectiuons of our Charter allowed. The current court does not have the same mindset thanks to Harper. As for Obahma, I recall during the primaries, an OpEd piece in the Advocate warning about Obahma and that his word was useless, he made claims like he was against the war overseas and vcoted against it, yet he hadn't been elected to the Senate yet, he was still a state rep. When he saw that Hilory's support of gays was going to put her ahead in key areas, he turned his charm and charisma on gay people to sway their vote. Hilary had 20 years of support on her side, but the majority of gays decided to back someone who didn't even have a record of support.

  • Name: Mark
    Date posted: 11/8/2009 2:56:27 PM
    Hometown: Wappingers Falls

    Comment:

    I agree that ACT UP needs to come back. We make it too easy for straight people to deny us our constitutionally guaranteed equal civil rights. I wonder what would happen if every time a straight couple got married, ACT UP was there screaming and raising signs that we demand our equal civil rights too? When a pedophile priest gave a sermon against same sex civil marriage equality, the ACT UP people shouted over him that we demand our equal civil rights. I also agree that we need to work long and hard to remove the tax exempt status from these so called religious organizations that are really Republican political organizations. Finally, when I see Obama publically demanding Congress to act on health insurance for all Americans, I wish he would do the same thing to repeal the unconstitutional DOMA and DADT! Since the Republicans will no doubt gain control of Congress after the next election, he needs to do it NOW!!!!

  • Name: weddingskunk
    Date posted: 11/8/2009 2:20:45 PM
    Hometown: Durham, NC

    Comment:

    Time to fight back. Until we say "I do", No You Don't! noyoudont.wordpress.com

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