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News 2009-06-12 The Other Side of Justice  The Department of Justice filed a brief Thursday defending the Defense of Marriage Act, and our original coverage is available here . Below are excerpts from an int


The Department of Justice filed a brief Thursday defending the Defense of Marriage Act, and our original coverage is available here .

Below are excerpts from an interview conducted with Harvard professor Laurence H. Tribe, who firmly believes DOMA is unconstitutional and would like to see it overturned, and yet is grateful that the DOJ filed a motion to dismiss the legal challenge posed by the ninth circuit court case, Smelt v. United States.

Why Smelt posed a weak legal challenge to DOMA:

As someone who wants to see DOMA dismantled and invalidated, I would love it if this ninth circuit case would evaporate into the ether.

Even though I personally believe that DOMA is unconstitutional, I think that this particular lawsuit is very vulnerable; it's not anywhere near as strong as the one that was brought in the federal district court in Massachusetts [a suit filed by Gay and Lesbian Advocates and Defenders].

In an environment where the Supreme Court is still quite conservative, what makes a suit a strong one is that it finds a point of entry in which it's possible to invalidate a law in a number of its applications by using more of a scalpel that might appeal to five justices rather than a bludgeon that will almost certainly ask more of the court than it is willing to do.

What's strong about the Massachusetts case is that these are concrete situations of people who are legally married under the laws of states like Massachusetts or Vermont, and who are being discriminated against by the federal government with respect to federal benefits simply because they are same-sex couples. There's no other difference between them and other couples in that state, and the court could agree with that without accepting any of the broader theories advanced in the [ Smelt ] lawsuit in the central district of California, which is basically a bet-the-farm lawsuit that almost dares a conservative Supreme Court to slap it down.

A strategic Justice Department interested in a litigation strategy that has some realistic chance of success certainly would not have taken [the Smelt ] case as the one in which the constitutional vulnerabilities of DOMA should be explored.

Defending congressional statutes:

Under the traditions of the solicitor general's office, the government does have an obligation to provide a defense in any lawsuit where there is a plausible argument to be made, even if the president does not agree with the law.

There certainly are cases where the government declines to defend the law, but those are few and far between. If congress were to pass a law that flew directly in the face of a binding Supreme Court precedent -- a law outlawing early-term abortion or a law providing for "separate but equal" schools -- the obligation of the Justice Department to the Constitution would trump its obligation to defend the laws of congress.

But DOMA is in a gray area where there are experts like me, who think it's unconstitutional, and you can find experts who hold the opposite view, and it's certainly not a slam-dunk.

There are ways for the president to get rid of DOMA. He can advocate for its repeal, he can eventually urge the solicitor general to join in a more surgical attack, but he certainly isn't obliged to go along with every plaintiff who brings a lawsuit.

The important point here is that the solicitor general traditionally seeks to dismiss lawsuits against federal laws whenever there is a plausible basis to do it. A lot of the outcry about the administration's position doesn't take that institutional reality into account.

It doesn't surprise me very much because I understand the frustration of some of the groups. They have lived under the burden of DOMA, of "don't ask, don't tell," for a long time, and they understandably hoped that this would be an administration that would side with them on these issues.

And I think the frustration of having to wait so long for a progressive and intelligent president who, nonetheless, occasionally does some things that people find disappointing on matters that cut deeply into where they live -- it's understandable that would lead to some strong reactions in this case.

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Reader Comments
  • Name: darogr
    Date posted: 6/15/2009 8:59:00 AM
    Hometown: Houston

    Comment:

    It was not so much that DOJ filed a challenge to Smelt, it was the wording of the brief. If Smelt was such a weak challenge, why did DOJ have to pull every anti-gay rabbit out of their hat? They could have filed a lackluster brief and still won. Amazing how little you hear about this anywhere in the media, also amazing how GLBT are still defending Obama. They did not have to do it this way.

  • Name: Brad Bailey
    Date posted: 6/14/2009 6:40:00 PM
    Hometown: Fayetteville, Arkansas

    Comment:

    My gut told me that Obama was far too comfortable with the current political structure to effect any significant changes. His fiscal policy and internationist foreign policy are basically the same as Bush's. I voted for Bob Barr, the Libertarian presidentional candidate. He was gay friendly, wanted to get us the hell out of the Middle East, and made balancing the national budget his first priority.

  • Name: chris
    Date posted: 6/14/2009 4:11:00 PM
    Hometown: philadelphia

    Comment:

    Mark in Oakland is obviously a brainwashed, narrow-minded idiot, who can only have one opinion at any particular time. He creates labels like "Obamapologist" to put people that he disagrees with into boxes so that he can understand them. In his view, people are not able to have multiple viewpoints on things -- to support one aspect of a person's behavior while criticizing others. For him, the world is black and white. Good or bad. Straight or gay. I hope this attitude gets him far in life, but I doubt it.

  • Name: Mark M
    Date posted: 6/14/2009 3:11:00 PM
    Hometown: Oakland

    Comment:

    Chris in Philly is obviously an Obamapologist. I am not. The government is a huge machine, it is true-- but it is one with a helm. And our leader doesn't give a flying fig about equality. All my GLBT Brothers & Sisters who put up money and time and votes for this man have been had.

  • Name: chris
    Date posted: 6/14/2009 12:35:00 PM
    Hometown: philadelphia

    Comment:

    gabrielsfire: "You are either NOT gay and were just dispatched here to defend Obama's unexcusable injuries to our community" So now all gay people must share a particular set of political views or they are not "really gay"? What is up with that? Sometimes the idiocy on this board amazes me. For a community that prides itself on acceptance, that's awfully orthodox. I really hope the people who write on this board are not a true cross-section of the gay community. There are way too many personal attacks here for my liking.

  • Name: Madison Reed
    Date posted: 6/14/2009 10:14:00 AM
    Hometown: Huntington

    Comment:

    Kerry, Lawrence Tribe said, "Under the traditions of the solicitor general's office, the government does have an obligation to provide a defense in any lawsuit where there is a plausible argument to be made, even if the president does not agree with the law." If this is true - and it probably is - then Tribe has identified an office that needs a good overhaul. Upholding a tradition? If America is to be proud of her system of jurisprudence, it should be because it (jurisprudence) is known to do whatever is necessary to serve the advancement of an ever-increasing understanding of Truth and Justice, rather than as it doing now by serving tradition, money and ego - all to the detriment of our nation's well-being. Defending a lawsuit against a law when the president does not agree with the law? That would be hilarious if it weren't so sad and frightening.

  • Name: gabrielsfire
    Date posted: 6/14/2009 7:32:00 AM
    Hometown: Indy

    Comment:

    How much longer will some of you with your delusional "but Obama says he loves me ' mentalities continue to make excuses for this fraud and LIAR ? In the DOJ brief -that HE is ultimately responsible for- he compared LGBT with incest and pedophilia ! WAKE UP ! You are either NOT gay and were just dispatched here to defend Obama's unexcusable injuries to our community OR you have already been hired by the administration to pass out our mandatory pink triangles and convince us that they are whats hot in this years fassion trends .

  • Name: Rob
    Date posted: 6/14/2009 5:09:00 AM
    Hometown: Tempe

    Comment:

    Where does Congress fit into this? Shouldn't Congress have the power to repeal laws they put into place [even amendments (prohibition)]? Are Americans so disenfranchised with how slow Congress takes to do anything, aren't we ultimately putting too much power into the courts and the executive? Isn't this a failure of Congress? A similar case can be made for DADT. While the President can authorize stop losses, shouldn't our Congress be working on repealing this law? If they are simply moving too slowly, it's time for Americans to be putting the pressure on them. I believe all these laws are unconstitutional, but the burden shouldn't be placed on the executive and judiciary to repeal these. It should be placed on the morons that are creating them in the first place. It's like complaining that the one guy trying to clean up the milk isn't getting all the spots when we should be telling the guy that spilled it not to go near the fridge.

  • Name: Adrianus
    Date posted: 6/14/2009 1:39:00 AM
    Hometown: Northridge, CA

    Comment:

    DEPARTMENT OF INJUSTICE???

  • Name: David Saia
    Date posted: 6/14/2009 12:48:00 AM
    Hometown: Dallas, TX

    Comment:

    The DoJ apologists consistently hold up the notion that we are "a nation of laws" as justification for defending a piece of legislation that blatantly violates the highest law of the land: the U.S. Constitution. I've seen this error time and time again: mistakenly granting a regulation higher value than the principal that the regulation was created to protect! Lest we forget, here is that principal: "No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." -- U.S. Constitution, article XIV, sec. 1

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