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Cleve Jones Responds: Letter to the Editor

Disheartened by writer James Kirchick's recent commentary 'A Friend to Gays and Antigay Dictators Alike,' Cleve Jones writes a letter to the editor in support of his friend Sean Penn, a man he says is a "tireless champion of human rights both in the U.S. and around the world."
An Advocate.com exclusive posted December 13, 2008
Cleve Jones Responds: Letter to the Editor

Editors:

As a longtime reader of The Advocate, I am dismayed by the inclusion of James Kirchick’s unfounded attack on Sean Penn. As historical consultant to the movie Milk, I am disheartened by the film’s mention at all in the piece.

I love Sean. I know him better than anyone at your magazine, and certainly more than Mr. Kirchick (an assistant editor at another magazine, The New Republic). Most people will agree that Sean Penn is one of our greatest living artists, but he is also a tireless champion of human rights both in the U.S. and around the world.

I have spent a lot of time with Sean over the past year: on set every day for four months during the filming of Milk; traveling by bio-diesel bus with 150 young volunteers to New Orleans on the Dirty Hands Caravan (including a stop at the Southern Arizona AIDS Foundation); as well as private time with him and his family. I know Sean to be a kind, principled and smart man, and I am infuriated by this attack on his character.

The Nation‘s cover story was an adapted excerpt of Sean’s essay/interview entitled "Mountain of Snakes." In fact, The Nation directed its readers to The Huffington Post, which ran Mountain of Snakes in its entirety on December 1st. Had Mr. Kirchick read Mountain of Snakes, he would have read the following excerpt:

On a 2005 family Christmas trip to Cuba, traveling under the auspices of religious tourism, my wife, our children and I were received in a private midnight meeting with then-President Fidel Castro and the great Colombian novelist and Nobel laureate Gabriel Garcia Marquez. Prior to our departure from the United States, I had sat my children down with documentaries of the Cuban revolution. In particular, my daughter had been offended by the history of oppression toward homosexuals in Cuba, and had made it clear to her father, that if offered the opportunity to meet directly with Castro, she would refuse it. Marquez invited us to his house. We walked in, and there, in the living room alone, sat Fidel Castro. Taken by surprise by the meeting, and being a polite then-14-year old, my daughter took her place in the room and waited her turn to attack.

Fidel grabbed my arm and seated me beside him. He began the conversation questioning my then 12-year old son about the curriculum in his public school. Did he know how far was the earth from the sun? Did he know voltage from kilowatts? The grilling went for a straight half hour, and Castro's demeanor was of the strict grandfather, hiding his affectionate smile behind his lips while demanding knowledge with curiosity. It seemed to me that he could feel my daughter's chilly demeanor. And at just the appropriate moment, still without a word from her, he asked what it is that's bothering her. She answered, "Why do you not offer the same human rights to homosexuals in Cuba as to heterosexuals? Why have you persecuted them?" She was ready for a fight. But no fight was forthcoming. Not even a hint of defensiveness. Castro seemed nothing but impressed with the question, patiently explaining that while homophobia had not been invented in Cuba, it had deep cultural roots, and that he and the revolution had made many mistakes as a result. But that there is an evolution involved in the process of change. And while they still made mistakes, there had been tremendous growth. (In 1979, Cuba abolished anti-sodomy laws. Today in Cuba, affirmation of same sex unions is scheduled for 2009, surpassing the pace of U.S. social reforms, and sexual re-assignment surgeries come compliments of the public health service) My daughter was disarmed and it was my turn.

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Jones is a gay rights activist and served as a historical consultant on Milk. He is portrayed by Emile Hirsch in the film. This article is representative of the author's views and not Advocate.com.
Keywords:  Harvey Milk 

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  • Name: Jeff
    Date posted: 2009-01-25 4:25 PM
    Hometown: Denver

    Comment:

    Please. Cleve Jones went from someone at the forefront of a historical movement to an old white fart with too much money and time on his hands. It is obvious that his lips are planted firmly on Sean Penn's ass. His motivation? He really wants to direct. Really.


  • Name: Mark Levy
    Date posted: 2008-12-18 9:02 AM
    Hometown: North Hudson. NY

    Comment:

    Sean Penn's gifts as an actor shouldn't obscure the evident fact that his abilities as a journalist are limited. Reading his work on Chavez and Castro is disheartening largely because he lacks the historical perspective and depth of knowledge necessary to create a judicious evaluation of these men and their careers. His star status has given him a prominence as a commentator that is largely unjustified. That being said, there's no harm in what he's doing and it does constitute an honest effort on behalf of people who need advocacy. It would be more appealing and productive if Mr. Penn were to spend some more time studying the problems he addresses (rather blithely.) It often seems he's more concerned with himself and his image as a "hard-hitting whiskey-belting journo" than with the problems he's looking into.


  • Name: Pareidolius
    Date posted: 2008-12-17 5:05 PM
    Hometown: Santa Rosa

    Comment:

    While I am very skeptical of the Castros and Chavez's intentions (especially Chavez) I was very impressed with Penn's article "Mountain of Snakes". The left has a history of "useful idiots" who have gushed over the most megalomaniacal dictators without bothering to find out what they were actually up to. Lenin, Stalin and Mao come to mind. My first reaction to Chavez was "if it quacks like a duck . . ." But there was a nagging question about his redistribution of resources to the poor. Was he really walking his talk, and how would I know that without actually going to Venezuela? The terrible toll that cronyism and corruption has taken on the poor of South America is undeniable. I am ever so slightly opening my mind to the possibility that Chavez is flawed, but sincere in his intentions in Venezuela.


  • Name: Jonathan
    Date posted: 2008-12-16 10:37 PM
    Hometown: Caracas

    Comment:

    Penn is just naive. I'm sure his intentions aren't bad. The problem is his naivite comes with arrogance, and that's pretty hurtful for people like me, who live and breathe every day under the Chavez regime. Castro did put homosexuals in concentration camps. Justifying him by saying he doesn't do it anymore, he just did "mistakes"... its like justifying Hitler, if he were alive today and had the concentration camps closed. Those are not "mistakes". Those are crimes against humanity. And the Castro brothers have a collection of those.


  • Name: Art M.
    Date posted: 2008-12-16 2:23 AM
    Hometown: San Francisco, CA

    Comment:

    Oh, Leon. Get off your high horse, of COURSE Jews crucified Christ. If they hadn't, there wouldn't BE a Christianity. Of course, since there WAS no Jesus, nor a Moses, nor a Yahweh, it's all pretty frikking moot. That's all delusion and not real. What's REAL is that while Chavez might spy on his own people, SO DOES THE USA. Hell, Israel even sent spies against us, so why should we feel all friendly to YOU? Republiturds have proven time and time again that NOT talking to people doesn't get us anywhere. Maybe talking with them won't get us anywhere, either, but at LEAST it's DOING something. ANYTHING, except pissing MORE people off the way Bush has done.


  • Name: LeoOnTheEdge
    Date posted: 2008-12-15 4:23 PM
    Hometown: Edgewater, NJ

    Comment:

    After seeing the movie, I concur that if a gay actor once again was overlooked to portray Harvey Milk, then I'm glad Sean Penn was selected. He gave a great performance which was both sensitive and well nuanced. Having said that, let me also add that "The Advocate" came out of the film looking somewhat blemished, given some of its unfortunate earlier (cop out) endorsements and priorities. I'm pleased to say that the publication has come a long way in 30 years.


  • Name: Leon
    Date posted: 2008-12-15 4:13 PM
    Hometown: ISRAEL

    Comment:

    Who cares if he is homophobic or not?! This is not really the issue at hand. As members of an oppressed group we should also care about the oppression of others. The simple truth is that Chavez has a population under surveillance not dissimilar to 1984 (with neighborhood watches that catalogue suspicious behavior and interrogate people who visit abroad - if indeed they manage to leave the country). Let us think of all of the minorities: LGBTs, Jews and others that live under Chavez's horrific regime. Just so you'll get an idea of what kind of man this is, he described Jews in his Christmas speech as "the descendants of the same people that crucified Christ." Venezuelan Jews suffer as if in pre-WWII Europe, under this friend of Penn, and they are not the only one, but rather just one easy example. Now lets think whether we want to endorse someone who endorse such a regime. Finally, I hope Mr. Penn will truly be as skeptical as he is described to be and check the company he keeps.


  • Name: Sara
    Date posted: 2008-12-15 1:17 PM
    Hometown: San Marcos,CA

    Comment:

    I happen to think Mr. Penn is a strong activist for everyone's rights--While Bush was flying over New Orleans to get a look at the damage, Penn was in a boat taking people off their roofs. Regardless of whether or not I believe he is a tireless advocate, the fact remains that Sean Penn is an actor. And while we Americans give an astounding amount of power over public will to celebrities, Sean Penn does not write legislature. While it's great to have people who are highly regarded as public advocates for us, I feel personally that it's far more important to focus on those with political power. I read this particular article because I love Cleve Jones! Of course, this is my own personal opinion.


  • Name: Mike
    Date posted: 2008-12-15 11:43 AM
    Hometown: Westfield, NJ

    Comment:

    As far as I know, Sean Penn has been a reliable civil rights activist and advocate of liberation struggles around the world for years. His being a rebel is hardly surprising. Sean's mother hails from Belfast and he has been a supporter of the Irish fight for civil rights and democracy in northern Ireland. The fact that he may have been nice to Fidel Castro during a visit hardly means he is homophobic.


  • Name: Pat
    Date posted: 2008-12-15 9:33 AM
    Hometown: Sacramento

    Comment:

    I do not know Sean Penn any better than anyone else here, but what I have seen is a kind man who is for ALL human rights, period. He is a friend of gays without question, but he clearly feels that to get those human rights he must befriend evil people. Kill 'em with kindness and friendship. I get it. And I respect him for it. And hopefully it works, for ALL of us!


  • Name: J. Peron
    Date posted: 2008-12-14 11:12 PM
    Hometown: Phoenix

    Comment:

    Whether Penn is a good actor is not the question Kirchick was addressing. Mr. Jones ignores the real question. Neither was the question whether Penn is pro-gay. What was discussed was Penn's long term support for dictatorial regimes of an extremists Left-wing bent. Jones just ignores that. Whether Chavez was elected is no more important than the fact that Hitler was elected. Election does not mean one is a supporter of individual rights -- as Mr. Bush indicates.


  • Name: Yeek
    Date posted: 2008-12-14 7:31 PM
    Hometown: Manhattan,NY

    Comment:

    Mr. Jones tells a very sentimental tale about Sean Penn, but of course his word alone is simply not good enough. And while "Mountain of Snakes" makes quite a flattering portrayal of Mr. Penn, that's hardly an objective source either. It is entirely possible that Mr. Jones is motivated by box-office returns and favorable reviews. And Mr. Penn may well have created a revisionist moment of dignity to make himself look good. We all know people have done worse before. If we've learned anything, it's that we should never trust anyone who only says they love us and want the best for us. Before I make up my mind on this one, I'd like to see some proof. In my mind, the only indisputable facts right now are that Castro treated our kind like crap, and that talk is cheap.


  • Name: anthony
    Date posted: 2008-12-14 1:43 PM
    Hometown: dublin

    Comment:

    I like Sean Penn for his acting skills and him as a person, I really do not accept that he is homophobic, in Milk he gives an Oscar winning performance, which allows us who did not know Milk to gain some insight into his personality, Penn gives an open and honest opinion which in general Republicans and their ilk dont like, Penn is not hunting awards for his work, if you want to vent you disgust and anger as a celeb then there can be no man greater than Bono, his disgusting partnering with Bush and Jessie Helms belie a man who's ego knows of no level of decency or morality in his bid to collect awards for his oh so awful involvement in human rights, anthony


  • Name: ginny yount
    Date posted: 2008-12-14 9:35 AM
    Hometown: san gabriel california

    Comment:

    Having recently seen Sean Penn's powerful portrayal of Harvey Milk, I had questions about the Actor's role in the movement. I am assured by this article that he is a friend and fighter for the LGBT community. Ginny Yount


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