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July 03, 2008

Wisconsin Gay Couples Could Face Jail for Marrying in California

Same-sex couples from Wisconsin who go to California to marry could face criminal charges when they return home.

A Wisconsin law makes it a criminal offense to enter into a marriage outside the state if that marriage were illegal in Wisconsin.

The law was passed decades ago to prevent underage couples from crossing state lines to marry, but it could be used against same-sex couples, The Capital Times of Madison reported Wednesday.

The penalty is a fine of up to $10,000, nine months in prison, or both.

Wisconsin law limits marriage to opposite-sex couples.

Same-sex marriage became legal in California following a state supreme court ruling that went into effect June 17.

While Massachusetts, the only other state to offer marriage to gay couples, will marry out-of-state couples only if their unions would be legal at home, the California ruling allows for marriage licenses to be issued to all same-sex couples. (The Advocate

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  • Name: Quasi
    Date posted: 2008-07-15 1:03 AM
    Hometown: Davenport, FL

    Comment:

    I would go to California in a minute and would live there if I could afford it. I had to leave there in 1992 after living there for over 16 years because it became too expensive to live and no prospects of decent jobs. Now I am retired in Florida, and I sure hope this state of old farts recognize a bad disciminatory amendment this next election, and vote it down. As of last year, the people voted to have a 60% super majority for amendments to pass, which may be our saving grace and a thorn in the side of the old religious right-wing bigots here. 8D --- LOL --- BTW, all states need a "non-expiring sunset law" which causes "old spam-type laws" to expire if there are no inflictions prosecuted using them in a court of law after some reasonable number of years, say 5 or 10 years.


  • Name: Heather
    Date posted: 2008-07-10 12:52 PM
    Hometown: PA

    Comment:

    in response to THE THRESHOLD's comment: why should people have to move to get married? be they gay or striaght? the amount of time, money and stress to move your entire life is absolutely rediculous just to be married... think: job, house, kids... the whole works. all the old asses in wisconsin need to get a grip and do things for the best of the people they govern, not deal with such important issues with a chip on their shoulder.


  • Name: Chris
    Date posted: 2008-07-08 12:40 PM
    Hometown: St. Petersburg, FL

    Comment:

    I'm from Wisconsin, born and raised, and I'm currently in Florida. I'm so glad I got of there when I did. Wisconsin, while it's beautiful and produces great beer and cheese, it's run by old-school folks who are behind the times. My fiance and I are going to be married in California in 2 weeks, and while I understand that the marriage will legally be void when we return to Florida, we have the support from the community here. We don't have to be worried about being thrown in jail or fined just because we want to express our love for one another. Get your head out of your ass, Wisconsin, and join the rest of the 21st century.


  • Name: The Threshold
    Date posted: 2008-07-06 2:17 PM
    Hometown: USA

    Comment:

    I see it this way if GLB people are serious about wanting to get married then they should stay in the state that allows it. It doesn't make much sense for people to get married in Boston or California and then return home where their marriage will be non-valid.


  • Name: Mary
    Date posted: 2008-07-04 1:52 AM
    Hometown: Hartsdale, NY

    Comment:

    Hear, Hear!!! I agree :) Actually one of the best cheddars around is Black Diamond cheddar, made in Cananda, it is absolutely delicious.


  • Name: gary
    Date posted: 2008-07-03 9:35 PM
    Hometown: Tampa

    Comment:

    I say lets boycott all products made in Wisconsion.....it's work in the past. I like Vermont cheese better anyway !


  • Name: Salchak Toka
    Date posted: 2008-07-03 5:55 PM
    Hometown: denver

    Comment:

    Marcus: Stop talking rationally. Don't think as though we lived in a nation of laws, not of men. Then it will all make sense to you.


  • Name: Salchak Toka
    Date posted: 2008-07-03 5:53 PM
    Hometown: denver

    Comment:

    I'm with you, Xaver, except for one thing . . . there are no blue states in the United States. They're all varying shades of deep red. Except maybe for tiny Vermont, which few of us will ever see.


  • Name: Joseph
    Date posted: 2008-07-03 4:37 PM
    Hometown: Montgomery, AL

    Comment:

    Incidentally, with reference to the story in question, until a same-sex couple is actually CHARGED AND JAILED in Wisconsin, I don't see much sense in worrying about this. Yes, it is a serious matter, but the same thing would actually apply to same-sex couples who've married in Canada (but I don't recall reading any hysterics regarding that). Further, did the original article happen to mention how many "underage couples" are prosecuted every year under this law? Or have Wisconsin's authorities opted to let the law fall by the wayside (much like any of those other hundreds of laws that are still on the books but mostly ignored--like "Livestock have the right of way on public roads" or "The government may not prohibit manual flushed urinals" or "Margarine may not be substituted for butter in restaurants unless requested by the customer", all of which are actual Wisconsin laws) ?


  • Name: Marcus
    Date posted: 2008-07-03 2:53 PM
    Hometown: El Paso

    Comment:

    Just curious... How does Wisconsin have jurisdiction over what people do in California? Seriously, does anyone know if there's legal precedent for one state prosecuting someone for something that they did in another state, and that wasn't a crime there?


  • Name: SD
    Date posted: 2008-07-03 2:25 PM
    Hometown: Charmichael

    Comment:

    Okay, the entry by "Wallace" is a joke, right? When I first read it, it made me a bit nauseous, but then I figured it was a joke. Ha ha... funny. And yes, I think this will be worked out in the legislation... eventually. Hopefully it will not be used in the meanwhile to harass those from the LGBT community.


  • Name: dwa
    Date posted: 2008-07-03 2:17 PM
    Hometown: Houston, TX

    Comment:

    I would like to see this go to the Supreme Court. I bet we would find the ruling in favor of the gay couples, and not toward WI's law against entering into contracts outside of the state. If the Supreme Court were to rule in favor of the gay couples, that would be a fast track for Gay Marriage recognition through out the country. I am not a lawyer. Just MHO


  • Name: Chuck Grosz
    Date posted: 2008-07-03 1:50 PM
    Hometown: Milwaukee, WI

    Comment:

    Keep in mind folks, this law was passed to prevent the exploitation of under-aged women. This law was never meant to punish the LGBT community. Also remember that Wisconsin was the first state in the Union to pass gay rights legislation. Now that Wisconsin law makers are aware of the possible effects of this law on LGBT couples, I am confident that measures will be taken to amend or appeal this legislation.


  • Name: Wallace
    Date posted: 2008-07-03 1:47 PM
    Hometown: Baltimore

    Comment:

    I think that once we get right with Jesus, and stand behind McCain to get him elected, the rest of the country will see that we are more like them and start to change their opinion of us. We need to start working with them, the straight Christian people, to let them know we are not monsters and freaks. Maybe, when the Iraq war ends, we will be able to get some sort of rights...in about 100 years or so. I am hopeful that though we won't see the change, the future generations of gay people may be able to start enjoying it...as soon as they get out of the military where they are drafted and put on the front line to prove their loyalty to straight America, by risking their lives...Don't ask me why I feel this way, and I promise not to tell!


  • Name: Matt
    Date posted: 2008-07-03 1:44 PM
    Hometown: Los Angeles

    Comment:

    Yes, James is correct that Wisconsin has generally been a blue (or at least a purple) state in the last few elections. But it's also true that Wisconsin voters recently voted for a constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage. Writing discrimination into your constitution is most certainly not progressive, tolerant, or open-minded. So referring to Wisconsin as a "red" state is not accurate--but referring to Wisconsin as a state where the majority of the populace is prejudiced and regressive on social issues clearly IS accurate. Changing the archaic law calling for fines against same-sex couples who marry outside the state won't change that. Wisconsin residents voting to repeal the constitutional amendment discriminating against gay and lesbian couples would be a sign the state is socially progressive and less prejudiced. But that seems unlikely.


  • Name: Ed Stovall
    Date posted: 2008-07-03 12:49 PM
    Hometown: Humble, Texas

    Comment:

    Yes, we all fight, kick, claw and spit. And so we should. But let's not forget that eventually the issue of same sex marriage will be decided in the U.S. Supreme Court. Some day. And who the judges are depends on which president appoints them. And who the president is depends on us. Vote in November! It's never been more important.


  • Name: James
    Date posted: 2008-07-03 12:15 PM
    Hometown: Des Moines, IA

    Comment:

    Wisconsin voted BLUE in the last two presidential elections and is generally a pretty progressive state. The article said the law in question was decades old. Work to try and fix the out-dated laws instead of name-calling and jumping to conclusions about places you are not familiar with.


  • Name: GB
    Date posted: 2008-07-03 10:54 AM
    Hometown: Nevada

    Comment:

    To say "that's f*cked up" is an understatement. I cannot understand why they continue to discriminate against us! We haven't done anything to them. My wife and I just recently got married in California. The minute we crossed the border back into Nevada (where we reside), our newly legal marriage was once more illegal. Regardless of the bigotry, hatred and disrespect that this state has shown to us and other gays, we still view ourselves as married. And in a few days, we will get a marriage certificate that says so too. My wife and I will be more than happy to stand in unity with our Wisconsin brothers and sisters in their ouw fight against the ignorance they face there. I believe that we will eventually be full citizens of our own country. I just hope it's sooner rather than later.


  • Name: Xavier Chapa
    Date posted: 2008-07-03 9:44 AM
    Hometown: Hamburg, Germany

    Comment:

    I think it's time to secede and divide the country. I'm so tired of letting these red states dictate our social norms. What does Wisconcin contribute to the embetterment of our nation, anyway? Its economic growth is placed at the bottom 1/3. Let them sink themselves in their backward ideologies and let the rest of us progress into the 21st Century. Our nation didn't become the leader of the free world based on antiquated thinking. We have always been progressive. With most of the industrialized world making headway in gay equality, I'd like to see how well red states like Wisconsin perform on an international level with the way they think. We need to quit letting these red states bring us down with them.


  • Name: Mel
    Date posted: 2008-07-03 7:43 AM
    Hometown: Kenosha, WI

    Comment:

    Quasihedron--Please do. We need an outcry on this ridiculous law; as a resident of Wisconsin, I'm once again deeply ashamed of the screwed up BS of which this state is capable.


  • Name: Quasihedron
    Date posted: 2008-07-02 11:37 PM
    Hometown: Davenport, FL

    Comment:

    This is the most rediculous threat I have heard yet. Do we have to BOYcott wisconsin cheese and beer to get the point across to the wisconsin Voters? I sure will stop buying any wisconsin products the moment they even begin to prosecute someone who marries in another state, no matter the wisconsin laws.


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