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Palin Says McCain White House Will Be Tolerant of Gay Rights

Palin Says McCain White House Will Be Tolerant of Gay Rights

As the pundits continue to weigh in on Alaska governor Sarah Palin’s performance in Thursday night’s vice presidential debate -- most agreeing that while she managed to repair a bit of the damage she’d done to her own reputation, nothing to come out of the debate proved to be a major game-changer -- one particular exchange between Palin and Sen. Joe Biden would seem to leave her backers flustered.

Does Sarah Palin support gay rights?

Though much attention has been paid to Palin’s veto of a bill that would have blocked benefits being provided to the same-sex partners of state employees in Alaska, Palin has since admitted she did so because it was deemed unconstitutional.

She followed the ruling with a clear statement of her personal viewpoint -- that she did not believe in the extension of benefits. Similar opinions on gay-related topics followed, and amid news reports Palin worshipped at a Wasilla, Alaska, church that sponsored a prayer event aimed at converting gay people to straight, one would assume she does not support gay rights.

But in Thursday’s debate, moderated by PBS’s Gwen Ifill, Palin's position on gay rights seemed to maneuver a bit closer to that of the Obama-Biden campaign.

Predictably, both vice presidential hopefuls agreed they do not support same-sex marriage. But while Biden said that in a Barack Obama administration gays and lesbians would be granted equal rights, Palin didn’t disagree, though her answer was vague.

“If there's any kind of suggestion at all from my answer that I would be anything but tolerant of adults in America choosing their partners, choosing relationships that they deem best for themselves, you know, I am tolerant, and I have a very diverse family and group of friends...some very dear friends who don't agree with me on this issue," Palin said in Thursday’s debate, according to a transcript by The New York Times. "But in that tolerance also, no one would ever propose, not in a McCain-Palin administration, to do anything to prohibit, say, visitations in a hospital or contracts being signed, negotiated between parties."

Later, Biden attempted to nudge Palin’s support of gay rights a bit further.

“The bottom line, though, is...I take her at her word, obviously, that she thinks there should be no civil rights distinction, none whatsoever, between a committed gay couple and a committed heterosexual couple," Biden said. "If that's the case, we really don't have a difference.”

Not taking the bait, Palin simply restated her position on gay marriage -- it’s not something she or McCain supports.

Video coverage of the candidates discussing the topic of gay rights, along with the rest of the vice presidential debate, can be viewed at CNN.com/Videos. (The Advocate)

Keywords:  John McCain 

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  • Name: Tynkyr Belle
    Date posted: 2008-10-06 6:08 PM
    Hometown: San Francisco, CA

    Comment:

    Oh, Eillen, you must be either, stupid & naive, or really young and naive. Either way, if you can't tell the difference between the two candidates, or between the two political parties, you have no business voting. Republicans take a vow to uphold the party platform, which includes anti-Gay language. Democrats, on the other hand, won't give us a whole lot of verbal support, but when it actually comes time to vote for or against something, they're on our side. If you can't understand that Democrats can't be too vociferous in their support of gay rights - but have to be a bit soft-spoken about it, then really - you're pretty dense. Be a little pragmatic, why don't you?


  • Name: Art M.
    Date posted: 2008-10-06 6:02 PM
    Hometown: SFCAUSA

    Comment:

    Hospital visits and negotiated contracts are a far cry from discrimination protection in the workplace, housing, loans, etc. REMEMBER PEOPLE - SHE'S A REPUBLICAN. In other words, a lying whore.


  • Name: Eileen
    Date posted: 2008-10-06 4:15 PM
    Hometown: Kihei

    Comment:

    Folks sure like to bash Palin. It's quite fashionable these days. I myself was disgusted in Biden's reply. If we can't get the backing of Democrats for our true equality (which equates to MARRIAGE), what real difference is there with these 2 candidates with regards to our lives? Both parties suck. One panders for our votes more than the other, but it still amounts to pandering with no real progress for US LGBTs.


  • Name: Mad in Michigan
    Date posted: 2008-10-06 4:04 PM
    Hometown: Orange

    Comment:

    Who the hell does she think she's fooling. I pjut this right at the top of all the other lies that the McCain-Paling ticket is espousing. They're obviously desperate because they are losing this race.


  • Name: anthony newsome
    Date posted: 2008-10-06 7:47 AM
    Hometown: dublin

    Comment:

    Erm...cough, Palin and human rights, naw they just dont add up people, she just dont add up, McCain/Palin will enforce a countrywide ban on gay rights, cut funding to gay/lesbian/bi/transgender community services (health etc.), implement a ban of gays in the army, republican's are NOT friends of gays, can we get that straight people, I live in Dublin Ireland and can easily tell the difference between gay friendy political parties and hostile hating one's, a clue would be the hating one's implement policies denying us our human rights to legal recognition, use religion as a tool for drumming up fear, hate, violence against us, regardless of gender, this has nothing to do with it, Palin has extreme religious beliefs/no experience of national/world politics and poses a treat to the global econemy as she reckons everything which happens is based upon her (god's) wishes, do you really want someone with this kind of belief as your VP and very possibley commander in chief.... anto


  • Name: Prof Dennis
    Date posted: 2008-10-05 10:31 AM
    Hometown: Minneapolis

    Comment:

    I should have stated my own personal reaction more clearly. McPalin is clearly getting desperate. Even if Palin spouts off about "tolerance", SO WHAT -- what kind of judges will they try to get appointed?? (With the lasting damage that bad choices do.) I don't care what kind of "friends" Sarah Palin has. The whole Palin 'spiel' was an "aw shucks" SMOKE SCREEN. Nothing more, nothing less. Biden was less than sunshine, as well. Can anyone say the phrase 'political reality'? OBAMA has my vote.


  • Name: Quasi
    Date posted: 2008-10-05 3:34 AM
    Hometown: Davenport, FL

    Comment:

    Did anyone else see the CNN video of Palin in church where they were praying (or performing an exorcism) to remove the "witchcraft" from her. When I first saw her, I saw her immediately for the WITCH she is. Now it is confirmed by the national news media. She had to bewitch McCain for him to pick her in the first place. God (or your deity of choice) forbid she ever gets elected to Congress, and much less this time with McMummy.


  • Name: L.C.
    Date posted: 2008-10-05 12:20 AM
    Hometown: Bad Axe, MI

    Comment:

    When I heard Palin say she is "tolerant" of gays, I remembered what Jenny said in The L Word. Something like, "I don't like the idea of being tolerated because it implies there's something wrong with my being gay." Palin has also said that she has a "friend" of 30 years who CHOSE to be gay. Someone should ask her when she CHOSE to be straight. McCain voted YES on Prop 8 in Califorina, which would have banned same-sex marriage. Obama voted NO! Palin's church thinks they can "pray" people straight. Do you really think McCain or Palin will fight for our rights? Obama's not for same-sex marriage but he also said he won't make it illegal. He said he'll leave it up to the state - as he's shown us with Califorina. Obama will give us civial unions. It may not be the same as marriage, but it's a STEP, and it's a MUCH bigger step then you're going to get from McCain and Palin.


  • Name: Mark Johnson
    Date posted: 2008-10-05 12:15 AM
    Hometown: Tesuque, NM

    Comment:

    Let's see - tolerated. How well would they tolerate me not paying taxes? I believe the Declaration of Independence states and I quote: "We hold these Truths to be self evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness." I don't see the word tolerate in this Ms Palin, Mr McCain, et al. I don't see it saying straight men, gay men, bisexual men - it says men. I do apologize to the women out there but that's the wording from when it was placed before Congress 4 July 1776, unanimously.


  • Name: d
    Date posted: 2008-10-04 11:36 PM
    Hometown: l

    Comment:

    I voted for OBAMA/BIDEN today by absentee ballot, and did it feel good! :)


  • Name: Robert
    Date posted: 2008-10-04 4:13 PM
    Hometown: jacksonville

    Comment:

    I dont simply want to be tolerated, we arnt some irritating mole on the face of society. I want to someday in the near future marry the love of my life. I want us to have a family together. I dont want us to be stuck choosing 2 states out of the 50 to insure my families security. For a ong time men 'tolerated' womens rights, after the the civil war whites 'tolerated' blacks. Do you see the trend? Tolerating is not the same as equality.


  • Name: Steve Howard
    Date posted: 2008-10-04 3:01 PM
    Hometown: Young Harris, Georgia

    Comment:

    Tolerate?!? We don't seek or need permission from the McPalins for anything. After 40 years together, we had hoped (and worked diligently) for "better". Apparently the Republicans expect us to take "worse". Keep your crumbs. Canada is calling!


  • Name: Mark Thomas
    Date posted: 2008-10-04 2:02 PM
    Hometown: Wappingers Falls

    Comment:

    Why is this site campaigning for Palin? We know that Palin and McCain, as funded by the religious right, hate us and will ensure we remain second class citizens under the law. I'd like to read articles about Obama and Biden who unlike McBush, along with a Democratic Congress, have publically vowed to save our economy, protect us from terrorists in the US and abroad, lower the deficit, mend the healthcare system and educational system, appoint fair-minded federal judges, get rid of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" and DOMA, and sign inclusive hate crime and equal rights legislation. Enough about the ignorant, mentally unstable, liar, oil/Halliburton-serving, election-stealing, hatemonger Republicans. Let's read articles about our Democratic friends running for office all over this country who, IF ELECTED, will make us full citizens AND save our country!


  • Name: Roger Burr
    Date posted: 2008-10-04 12:06 PM
    Hometown: Marble Hill, MO

    Comment:

    To Joseph in Montgomery, AL. Joe, I agree that a Democrat controlled Senate can be helpful in blocking Supreme Court nominees who are openly right wing; but some, to include Antonin Scalia, came on as centrist, middle-of-the-road jurists and thus fooled everyone. For his part, Scalia has proven to be as right wing as Hitler. Bush submitted Harriet Myers and now she is ignoring subpoenas to testify before Congress. A Democrat in the White House won't submit such nominees in the first place, thus sparing the Senate Judiciary Committee from having to disqualify them.


  • Name: Roger Burr
    Date posted: 2008-10-04 11:54 AM
    Hometown: Marble Hill, MO

    Comment:

    Yeah... Right... Just like George Bushs promise of 'compassionate conservatism', in the 2000 election. Once elected, however, the 'com' came off and we were left only with 'passionate' conservatism. Leopards don't change their spots. The Republicans are not, never have been, and never will be; 'friends' of the LGBT community! Palin has shown that both she and her rest-home refugee of a running mate can lie like crazy. I believe NOTHING coming out of their campaign. I'm voting for Obama/Biden and can't wait for election day.


  • Name: dave
    Date posted: 2008-10-03 11:18 PM
    Hometown: ny

    Comment:

    I don't want to be tolerated or accepted. I want to be treated as a human being and a citizen, and given equal rights. My life, livelihood and pursuit of happiness should not depend on anyone's tolerance or acceptance.


  • Name: Merle
    Date posted: 2008-10-03 10:23 PM
    Hometown: Birmingham

    Comment:

    I am not inclined to "tolerate" Palin's obvious lack of talent, ability, intellect, grasp of national issues, experience, educational background, world view, lack of vocabulary, use of terms like "Joe-sixpack", belief that women who have been raped must carry a child resulting from that rape to full term, her use of the term "choice" when referring to gays and lesbians - the list is quite endless. She is unqualified to serve as Vice President on many levels. That is a clear fact and one shared by a majority of Americans. McSame had so many excellent choices and picked this female? "Maverick" can mean that one is a trail blazer, with good ideas and vision, or it can mean one is a loose cannon, erratic, without clear objective, leadership, or determined skills.


  • Name: Art M.
    Date posted: 2008-10-03 7:38 PM
    Hometown: sfcausa

    Comment:

    Once again, I feel obligated to point out that Gay Republicans SUPPORT THIS WHORE! What a seriously deluded bunch of nutwhacks!


  • Name: Anne
    Date posted: 2008-10-03 6:24 PM
    Hometown: Weeki Wachee FL

    Comment:

    I don't want to be TOLERATED, like a headache when I don't have Advil nearby, or like a whiny child in the grocery store when the parent is ignoring him. I want to be ACCEPTED. There is a sizable difference.


  • Name: Dave Marsh
    Date posted: 2008-10-03 4:27 PM
    Hometown: Sacramento

    Comment:

    Signing contracts between adults is not in question. Her saying it's OK with her for gays to enter into legal contracts with one another to protect one another's property is standard Republican-speak for their "inclusiveness," which of course, it's not. Any adults can do this. We need marriage for two reasons: (1) to assure us legal standing to access to ALL the legal benefits couples get in both state and federal statutes, and (2) to assure our relationships have the full accreditation that the title "married" brings to couples in our society. Marriage is much more than a legal arrangement. With the legal marriage, and the abolishment of the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) that permitted the federal government and individual states to ignore legal state gay marriages, we'd be equal under the law. Until then, we're not. I don't know if Obama/Biden will actually move forward and abolish the DOMA, but I have NO doubt that McCain/Palin would not.


  • Name: Bagelboi
    Date posted: 2008-10-03 4:20 PM
    Hometown: Saskatoon SK Canada

    Comment:

    It would be inspiring to see an American political leader not only tolerate but celebrate and affirm the diversity that helps strengthen your great nation. The rest of the world desperately wants to be again inspired by America, the way we used to be.


  • Name: LeoOnTheEdge
    Date posted: 2008-10-03 4:01 PM
    Hometown: Edgewater, NJ

    Comment:

    If anyone in their right mind believes that Sarah Palin or, for that matter, John McCain will be supportive of our agenda for civil and equal rights, I have a bridge to sell you. Obama and Biden may fall short of endorsing marriage rights, but they are far more evolved on the important issues that confront us than are their adversaries. To think otherwise is foolish and/or delusional.


  • Name: Larry
    Date posted: 2008-10-03 3:27 PM
    Hometown: New York

    Comment:

    I'm so over people "tolerating" me. Implying that sexuality is a choice shows she has way too many issues with us LGBT people for me to be able to support McCain and her. Why would anyone give civil rights to people who choose to be LGBT?? It makes no sense. I cannot support someone who "tolerates" me. We are EQUALS of heterosexuals, in every way, and deserve equal rights under the law. Including marriage. VOTE Obama-Biden 2008. In spite of the Dem ticket voicing opposition to same-sex marriage, they are with us on all other LGBT issues. The Republican platform basically says we shouldn't exist. The choice is clear.


  • Name: Granny
    Date posted: 2008-10-03 3:13 PM
    Hometown: Menifee, CA

    Comment:

    As I watched the "debate" I got the idea that Sarah acted like "Queen Palin" when she said she would TOLERATE us gays. I am with Ted on this. The Republicans will try to destroy everything we have gained so far. I don't want to be tolerated by anyone, I want to be fully accepted as a free citizen of the USA. Biden did not even try to get her out of her little petty closet. Any question the commentator asked, that came close to a real question brought her back into her little Alaskan closet and what she did in Alaska. Bull twinkies.


  • Name: Ted Hayes
    Date posted: 2008-10-03 2:33 PM
    Hometown: Kingston, NY

    Comment:

    "Palin Says McCain White House will be Tolerant of Gay Rights." Yes, and I am the Pope.


  • Name: Bill Prickett
    Date posted: 2008-10-03 2:29 PM
    Hometown: Dallas

    Comment:

    In my opinion, we can't just listen to the words they say, but we must examine the frame-of-reference from which those words come. For Palin, our orientation is a CHOICE. Never forget that. She can be tolerant, but would she actually give equal rights to those who "choose" a behavior which her religious convictions believe to be wrong? Why would she? We chose to be "this way" and we can choose to change to "normal." (Remember, she belongs to a church that recently hosted an ex-gay "healing/wholeness" conference!) I cannot see her and the McCain party moving at all on this issue. She may be tolerant, but she's also convinced we are wrong and she's right. Personally, while I appreciate tolerance from acquaintences, from my elected officials, I demand equality! When push comes to shove on gay rights, who do you think she will go with? (Answer: the same ones who control her party---the religious right!) Bottom line: She scares me!!!


  • Name: Joseph
    Date posted: 2008-10-03 2:10 PM
    Hometown: Montgomery, AL

    Comment:

    Also, regarding the nomination process to the Supreme Court, the SENATE has final power in the matter. A STRONG Majority-Democratic Senate can prevent ANY uber-conservative nominee (not that I see McCain putting forth such a nominee) but, of course, we haven't really seen much spine from Senate Democrats in the last fifteen years. There have always been enough Democrats to block ANY nominee that Bush might put before the Senate, yet with both of Bush's eventual Court appointees, enough Democrats voted WITH the Republicans. (In Roberts' case, there were as many Dems supporting Roberts as opposing; in Alito's case, I counted less than a half dozen Dems supporting Alito.)


  • Name: Joseph
    Date posted: 2008-10-03 1:56 PM
    Hometown: Montgomery, AL

    Comment:

    Hey Prof. Dennis, go investigate Obama's FIRST reaction to John Roberts' nomination to the Court, and then read his ultimate statement after he voted against the nomination. Obama's initial reaction to Roberts was quite positive and he made more than a few public comments regarding Roberts. After finally casting his "nay" vote (which came only after some proverbial arm-twisting), his press statement made it quite clear that he didn't oppose Roberts on the basis of his LEGAL QUALIFICATIONS. The statement also appeared to suggest that Obama COULD support a nominee that didn't completely agree with him on all issues. Oh, you might also want to look back at the history of several previous Court nominations and how they "disappointed" the President who nominated them. Look at O'Connor, for instance. Appointed by Reagan, she turned into a strong centrist member of the Court.


  • Name: Tricia
    Date posted: 2008-10-03 1:52 PM
    Hometown: Miami

    Comment:

    I'm TOLERANT of the mole on my cheek, but I'd still love to Scoop it out and toss it in the garbage. I have no doubt it is an accurate comparison to her feelings toward those that "CHOOSE that lifestyle." Joe (and Barack) said what he HAD to say, but I have NO DOUBT that he is a FIGHTER for EQUAL RIGHTS and would stand right beside us! Our only chance for a future of EQUALITY is with OBAMA/BIDEN and I am filling out my mail-in ballot RIGHT NOW!


  • Name: Josep
    Date posted: 2008-10-03 1:47 PM
    Hometown: Montgomery, AL

    Comment:

    So Biden says that in an Obama/Biden administration, gays will have equal rights. Well, that's all well and good, but how "equal" will those rights be when neither man believes that gays and lesbians have the right to be married to the person of their choice? Yeah. That sounds like real "equality" to me. Only as long as "equality" goes so far and no further.


  • Name: Joe
    Date posted: 2008-10-03 12:30 PM
    Hometown: Fort Worth

    Comment:

    Palin supports our right to sign contracts?Big deal! As long as you're not a minor or are incapacitated, ANYONE can sign a contract. And Palin supports hospital visitation? How GENEROUS of her! Did Palin ever say that same-sex couples should be granted the same benefits of straight couples?


  • Name: Daniel
    Date posted: 2008-10-03 9:32 AM
    Hometown: New Hope, PA

    Comment:

    I wouldn't be inclined to trust Palin or McCain to actually support gay rights or sign any bills advancing gay rights. Historical precedent suggests that neither of them would actually support us and both of them are likely to oppose any expansion of our rights beyond what we already have. They're also both likely to support taking away any rights to same-sex marriage that have been won. I also think that they would both ultimately support efforts to remove or block domestic partnership rights and/or civil unions. Neither of their actions suggests that they would be allies, or even friendly, to us on the national stage.


  • Name: Prof. Dennis
    Date posted: 2008-10-03 6:27 AM
    Hometown: Minneapolis

    Comment:

    Maybe the fluster, if there is indeed one, is due to her AMBIGUITY. She and Joe wrapped up question with Joe summarizing: "So, we are in agreement in our positions." This was AFTER they both said "no" to gay marriage, but YES to supporting same-sex couples' civil rights -- hospital visitation, etc. Did the agreement refer to ALL of the above or to just gay marriage?? I interpreted it as ALL. Perhaps Sarah Palin needs to be asked pointblank. The DEVIL of course is in the details.... and, as I said to myself, any appointees to the COURT! Nevertheless, on this one issue, Sarah seemed to open the door just a teeny bit... Could it be they're getting "desperate"...


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