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Prop. 8 Opponents Rally at Mormon Temple

Prop. 8 Opponents Rally at Mormon Temple

PROTEST AT MORMON TEMPLE (MEGHAN QUINN) | ADVOCATE.COM

At Wednesday night’s rally in West Hollywood, Los Angeles Gay and Lesbian Center CEO Lorri Jean invited the crowd to join her Thursday at 2 p.m. at Los Angeles’s Mormon Temple.

Some 2,000 people lined the sidewalk in front of the temple, located just outside of Century City, waving banners, talking to the press, and screaming “Shame on you” as church members looked on from behind the temple’s gates.

Local camera crews surrounded the demonstration. CNN and MSNBC broadcast live coverage online.

The message was simple -- the Mormon Church raised, depending on estimates, anywhere from 48% to 73% of the money behind the effort to pass Proposition 8, banning same-sex marriage in the state of California.

According to demonstrators and volunteers from the No on 8 campaign, the Mormon Church violated laws governing the church’s tax-exempt status by involving itself financially in a political battle. Protesters stood in front of the temple with signs urging that the denomination be taxed.

Thursday morning, links to a website petition to tax the Mormon Church were circulated via e-mail and social networking sites.

Jean and other No on 8 staffers took advantage of the media attention Thursday to launch a new initiative. InvalidateProp8.org will take donations to overturn the marriage ban, and donations will be made in the name of Mormon church President Thomas Monson.

Following the demonstration several protesters once again took it to the street, this time in the Westwood neighborhood, near the University of California, Los Angeles, campus. At one point some protesters sat down in the middle of Wilshire Boulevard, prompting police to divert traffic.

CNN followed this march, like yesterdays,via a live feed on its Website. The march eventually gained momentum and again headed back for West Hollywood -- a four mile hike, much of it during rush hour.

Talk radio hosts briefly mentioned an altercation between members of the church and protesters during late night programs on Thursday, but these reports are as yet unconfirmed. (Ross von Metzke, The Advocate

Keywords:  2008 Election  Prop 8 
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  • Name: E.
    Date posted: 2008-11-19 2:05 AM
    Hometown: Chicago

    Comment:

    As I was reading a lot of the comments on this thread, the Fundamentalist Mormons (FLDS) is confused witht he mainstream Mormons (LDS). Prop 8 had been voted upon by a majority of people, they came from all walks of life. I am a Latter-Day Saint member, but even if I am not, I still do not agree with same sex marriage. People talk about our constitutional rights and our freedom to choose. According to Abraham Lincoln, it is for those who choose what is right. It has nothing to do with hating gays or lesbians. It's about protecting the natural family. Each of us became a person through a man and a woman. It's a very simple fact of life.


  • Name: Eddie Gonzalez
    Date posted: 2008-11-16 8:21 PM
    Hometown: Kutztown

    Comment:

    I agree with Amelia, I heard this being reported as well that since polygamous marriages aren't legally recognized, their numerous children are considered to be outside of wedlock and the mothers receive WELFARE money on EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE KIDS (our gay tax dollars). That money is given back to the church to attack us and to make it that much richer and more formidable a force in American politics. The IRS needs to step in and remove them from being tax exempt. Frankly, I don't like the idea of the goverment welfare program being scammed that way either.


  • Name: Eddie Gonzalez
    Date posted: 2008-11-16 8:17 PM
    Hometown: Kutztown

    Comment:

    I agree with Amelia, I heard this being reported as well that since polygamous marriages aren't legally recognized, their numerous children are considered to be outside of wedlock and the mothers receive WELFARE money on EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE KIDS (our gay tax dollars). That money is given back to the church to attack us and to make it that much richer and more formidable a force in American politics. The IRS needs to step in and remove them from being tax exempt. Frankly, I don't like the idea of the goverment welfare program being scammed that way either.


  • Name: Jerry
    Date posted: 2008-11-10 10:37 AM
    Hometown: Los Angeles

    Comment:

    The demonstrations at the Mormon temple were very helpful in shutting down all business at the church. This included canceling all weddings that were scheduled. If it's possible to do this on a regular basis (there are 4 temples in Southern California) then you could effectively cripple business as usual at these temples. Also, like most churches, the Mormons do not like bad publicity - and they're getting a ton of it.


  • Name: Kirk Rader
    Date posted: 2008-11-08 8:32 AM
    Hometown: Reno, NV

    Comment:

    Every time Obama and Biden publicly opposed equal rights for the GLBT community, they gave permission to Black and Hispanic citizens both to vote for him and for writing discrimination into the California constitution. Every time Obama appealed to his personal religious beliefs as a justification for public policy positions he gave encouragement to the Mormon, Catholic and other churches to funnel tens of millions dollars into the propaganda campaign of lies that convinced enough Californians to embrace hatred and bigotry. Never again support a candidate who opposes fair and equal rights for all Americans. Never again be swayed by appeals to vote for the lesser evil. Only support candidates who fully embrace true equality for all, even if that means supporting candidates who you know cannot win in the short term. Maybe if the Democrats start losing elections because they have pushed the GLBT community out of their coaltion they will finally stop stabbing us in the back.


  • Name: Michael Allen
    Date posted: 2008-11-08 12:53 AM
    Hometown: San Francisco

    Comment:

    We have a large Tongan community south of San Francisco almost all belonging to the Mormon church. They blanketed the area with Yes on 8 signs. Each house had a sign as well as every traffic island, freeway entrance and every busy street corner. As a city employee I was taking down illegal signs as fast as they were putting them up. This is part of my job responsibility as well as it was a personal fight. I was married to my partner of 26 years, October 21 in San Francisco at City Hall. At the end of an angry day the final kick in the stomach was a comment a fellow Tongan employee was heard to have said. He believed half of his fellow Tongans out on the street that day campaigning for discrimination were not even full citizens of this country! People not even citizens of The United States of America are in my country telling me that I don't deserve equal rights. Incredible!


  • Name: Nat
    Date posted: 2008-11-07 11:34 PM
    Hometown: Sac town

    Comment:

    We need to hit them where it hurts not only should we be protesting out side their temple we should be showing up outside their churches on Sundays. I had to walk through their protests with my children let them come through ours with theirs.


  • Name: Granny
    Date posted: 2008-11-07 9:05 PM
    Hometown: Menifee

    Comment:

    God bless everyone of you who particdipated in the protest. I wish I were physically able to join you but I will continue to contribute to our cause. In this election as concerns Prop 8 the people did not speak, the churches did. They preached it from the pulpits, posted signs in and around their churches and brow beat simple souls into voting for it. The Catholic church is so big on anti-abortion they ignored that proposition to attack us while preaching brotherly love. They need to be subject to taxes as do the Mormons, Fill out those IRS complaint forms and tell our spineless Governor to get his tax money out of them. The Log Cabin Republicans should crawl back inro their holes and stay there.


  • Name: M. Gaudreau
    Date posted: 2008-11-07 3:04 PM
    Hometown: Chicag

    Comment:

    Give 'em hell, boys and girls. They deserve it.


  • Name: Johnny Ortez
    Date posted: 2008-11-07 2:48 PM
    Hometown: Los Angeles

    Comment:

    Thank you for covering this event for our community. They have awoken a sleeping a giant. We were too comfortable and complacent with ourselves and Prop 8 passing was just thing to call us to action.


  • Name: Smihc
    Date posted: 2008-11-07 2:22 PM
    Hometown: Los Angeles

    Comment:

    From what I saw on the news last night the hundreds of protesters, in full cooperation with the LAPD, marched down wilshire blvd completely blocking one side of traffic on a major artery in West LA. This lasted from 2pm to at least 6 when I was watching the news. Their actions caused congestion in traffic in the entire West LA area and even shut down a busy exit from the 405 freeway. We need to continue this momentum and take action to bring more awareness on this injustice that has just been passed by the people of California.


  • Name: J.C.
    Date posted: 2008-11-07 1:43 PM
    Hometown: L.A.

    Comment:

    YES WE CAN! If we rally until they drop, protesting every single day until Prop. 8 is overturned, our message will be heard! Let's not give up! A rally a day keeps the bigots away! Yes, we can! Heck! If we loose our jobs because we're protesting daily, who cares anyway? We should not have to pay taxes if we are not considered equal citizens.


  • Name: Cindy
    Date posted: 2008-11-07 1:39 PM
    Hometown: North Hills, CA

    Comment:

    I do not think it is in our best interest to make donations in someone's name that directly oppose their beliefs. While I am definitely a NO ON 8 supporter, and do not believe that religious rights should make the laws in this country, I have to allow others their rights to free speech and religious beliefs. I think our Governor and the California legislature should make the strongest legislative action to ensure that rights to same sex marriage cannot be contested, overturned or denied ever again.


  • Name: Chris
    Date posted: 2008-11-07 1:15 PM
    Hometown: California, Mo.

    Comment:

    The Mormon Church was just ONE financial backer that helped Prop 8 pass. Don't let the Catholic Church off the hook so easily. They also sank big money into the effort. I've noticed that they are happy to slink off into the shadows and let the Mormons take the heat.


  • Name: C. Lee Cutchens
    Date posted: 2008-11-07 1:06 PM
    Hometown: Long Beach, CA

    Comment:

    Join marchers at the anti-Prop 8 rally in Long Beach tonight at 7 PM beginning at Redondo Ave., and E. Broadway. Mapquest: Redondo Ave & E Broadway Long Beach, CA 90803


  • Name: Amelia Ketzle
    Date posted: 2008-11-07 1:04 PM
    Hometown: Carbondale, IL

    Comment:

    Here's a scary fact about Mormons that you could use to turn mainstream America against them - according Jon Krakauer's book "Under the Banner of Heaven", at their current rate of conversion and expansion, by 2050, the US government will be INOPERABLE without the cooperation of the Mormon church. For some inexplicable reason, their conversion rates are extremely high. Also, their practice of having lots of kids is exponentially growing their numbers. And, the FLDS churches where they still practice polygamy multiply those reproductive numbers by however many "spiritual wives" they have. Since polygamous marriages aren't legally recognized, those children are considered to be outside of wedlock and the mothers receive welfare money on EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE KIDS. That money is given back to the church to make it that much richer and more formidable a force in American politics.


  • Name: Harold Cutler
    Date posted: 2008-11-07 12:58 PM
    Hometown: Palm Springs

    Comment:

    We should surround the Mormon Church on Sunday to prevent them from entering it--tens of thousands of us!


  • Name: Harry
    Date posted: 2008-11-07 12:36 PM
    Hometown: Chatsworth

    Comment:

    Perhaps we should protest the NAACP as well, as polls showed that the record number of African-Americans who turned out to vote for Obama supported Prop 8 by a 70-30 margin. Whether we like it or not, churches on the left and right are allowed to participate on issue as opposed to candidate-specific politics. It just is what it is...


  • Name: Bob Smullen
    Date posted: 2008-11-07 11:57 AM
    Hometown: Hackensack, NJ

    Comment:

    Wouldn't it be a beautiful thing to have a massive demonstration at the Great Cathedral in Salt Lake City? Peaceful -- of course, but taking our cue from the civil rights demonstrations of the 60s -- making it clear that immoral behavior by churches will no longer get a free pass in this great county of ours.


  • Name: Joe
    Date posted: 2008-11-07 11:54 AM
    Hometown: Fort Worth

    Comment:

    Is there a similar movement to take away the tax-exempt status of the Catholic Church & various other churches (whether denominational or individual) which supported Prop 8? I'm Catholic & I want to see the bishops punished for their actions.


  • Name: Bill
    Date posted: 2008-11-07 11:24 AM
    Hometown: Malibu, CA

    Comment:

    I'm afraid it's a bit of a stretch for a petition such as this to be successful. Churches are allowed to speak out for/against propositions without risk of losing their tax-exempt status. They can also encourage individual contributions from parishioners to be directed toward political support groups. None of this is a violation of the tax code.


  • Name: Jim
    Date posted: 2008-11-07 11:00 AM
    Hometown: Los Angeles

    Comment:

    The Mormon church has had a decades-long history of opposition to civil liberties for gay men and lesbians. But they're vulnerable. They have a founder they venerate, Joseph Smith, who was not only a polygamist, but a pedophile. Their clumsy, but successful attempt to "buy" status and respect of other Christian denominations, indicates what a massive inferiority complex they have. But the Catholic church also deserves to be held up to ridicule and contempt. Their pedophile-hiding archbishop, Mahony, who should have long ago been arrested, tried and convicted for his complicity in hiding pedophile priests who preyed on thousands of children, still continues to preach hatred and intolerance toward gay men and lesbians. He helped to marshal the votes of millions of catholic "faithful" to vote Yes on Hate.


  • Name: Katherine
    Date posted: 2008-11-07 8:32 AM
    Hometown: Woodbridge

    Comment:

    I sent in money from NJ when I heard that the Mormon church was financing a push for Yes on 8. I also tried to rally folks I know in California to get to the polls. Imagine the disappointment when I learned that many of the folks I know did not vote at all. Why is there so much apathy in the gay community? Just because you are not in a relationship right now does not mean that this decision does not have an affect on you. Who will stand up for your rights if you will not stand up for your own? Fellow brothers and sisters of the love that dare not speak it's name, we HAVE to learn to speak up. It costs us nothing to go to the voting booth and costs us everything when civil rights are determined by popularity. Please wake up.


  • Name: Angelica
    Date posted: 2008-11-07 4:57 AM
    Hometown: Los Angeles

    Comment:

    I can confirm it considering I was one of the people attacked by members of the mormon church while we were peacefully protesting. None of this was provoked.


  • Name: FRANK
    Date posted: 2008-11-07 4:44 AM
    Hometown: Atlanta

    Comment:

    Cardinal Roger Mahony is a hypocrite and he used his power to beat down gay people. As a Catholic, I am very sad to see my church so misguided. You would think that after all of the years of oppression, the Catholic Church would have learned what separation of church and state is. I guess not !! I call on my fellow Catholics to rise up and fight Roger Mahony. He is wrong and soon he will find out how angry people are with his actions. Sad but ready to fight !!


  • Name: Edward
    Date posted: 2008-11-06 11:39 PM
    Hometown: Phoenix

    Comment:

    For whatever it is worth, the LDS Church did not donate the money, individual people who are members of the church did. Makes all the difference when talking about legal/tax questions.


  • Name: Ron
    Date posted: 2008-11-06 11:05 PM
    Hometown: Lancaster

    Comment:

    Sorry fellows you talk about hate. We ar't the ones who are violent and go out in the streets demostrating. Also the Church didn't finance this. People like me did. Civil Rights? Take two women or two men side by side, look closely. Nature did not make them to copulate.


  • Name: lionel
    Date posted: 2008-11-06 9:35 PM
    Hometown: los angeles

    Comment:

    1 down, 2 to go... I just pray there are enough Blacks and Mormons in MA and CT to get the job done.


  • Name: Maddi
    Date posted: 2008-11-06 9:00 PM
    Hometown: Folsom

    Comment:

    We went throught all of our time and money to stand up for our opinion just as the "No on 8" side did. Our state voted, and they spoke their opinion. You cannot have an excuse for that. No matter how strong your beliefs may be, the majority of the state disagrees with you.


  • Name: Tri
    Date posted: 2008-11-06 8:34 PM
    Hometown: Orange County, CA

    Comment:

    Back in May, in my history class, we discussed about civil right movement and couple of days after that lecture, I received the delightful news that gay marriage was then legal. I strongly thought, believed, hoped that was really a civil right major history for LGBT community. During the election night, like the author, I was elated by the new president elect but then extremely disappointed and sad when raw vote numbers of prop 8 appeared! Dolefully, our marriage right is literally taken away; bigotry, explicit discrimination still prevail! As a individual of the next, coming generation, one of minority group, a member of LGBT community, I am denied a fundamental right and "guaranteed" a long-term discrimination! No doubt, I feel melancholy about that. However, brighly and realistically, I adamantly know and believe that people of my generation are coming differently and with our LGBT indomitable spirit and ceaseless fight, we will win and achieve substantially!


  • Name: Tri
    Date posted: 2008-11-06 8:17 PM
    Hometown: Orange county, CA

    Comment:

    Back in May, in my history class, we discussed about civil right movement and couple of days after that lecture, I received the delightful news that gay marriage was then legal. I strongly thought, believed, hoped that was really a civil right major history for LGBT community. During the election night, like the author, I was elated by the new president elect but then extremely disappointed and sad when raw vote numbers of prop 8 appeared! Dolefully, our marriage right is literally taken away; bigotry, explicit discrimination still prevail! As a individual of the next, coming generation, one of minority group, a member of LGBT community, I am denied a fundamental right and "guaranteed" a long-term discrimination! No doubt, I feel melancholy about that. However, brighly and realistically, I adamantly know and believe that people of my generation are coming differently and with our LGBT indomitable spirit and ceaseless fight, we will win and achieve substantially!


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