With the trans military ban now in effect, what will that mean for the 13,763 active trans service members who are now being impacted?
Chase Strangio, an attorney at the ACLU, and Laila Ireland, a veteran who was instrumental in helping to get the original ban reversed, join The Advocate's editor-in-chief Zach Stafford to talk about what's next.
His conversation with Strangio goes deep into how Trump's order can be reveresed, especially with an upcoming 2020 election, but also how this move communicates larger strategies being rolled out that hope to erase trans people from public life.
And with Ireland, you will get to hear from a leader within the military who remains hopeful even in the darkest of times for her community.
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