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Straight Guys Tell

You’ve heard the threats -- about how gay men in the shower might bring down the U.S. military with a wink, a pinch, or a flick of a wet towel. But where’s the truth in that? What’s it really like to serve alongside gay and lesbian service members?


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I don’t have permission to be on base, and I’m nervous, because when I told veterans what I planned to do, they all gave me pretty much the same warning: Any soldier I approach could call the Military Police, who would escort me to the gates and kick me out -- unless they detained me for questioning.

At lunchtime on a gray September Sunday, a retired officer drove me onto the Fort Lewis Army base in Washington, about 50 miles south of Seattle, and dropped me at the PX (military lingo for “post exchange”), which is basically a food court wrapped in a mini-mall that includes a GNC store, a barber shop, a video arcade, and a folding table where a friendly old guy sells wooden American flags he carves out of what he claims are 1,000-year-old logs. (A sign on the wall behind him reads, ask me how i know the logs are one thousand years old!) Until the cops come, I am haunting the food court, walking up to straight soldiers and asking whether they’ve ever been aware of serving alongside a gay soldier and, if so, what it was like.

I’m conducting this extremely unscientific survey in hopes that the straight guys will tell some stories that might shed light on the debate about repealing “don’t ask, don’t tell,” the federal law and Pentagon policy on gays in the military, which will be the subject of a Senate hearing this fall. DADT is based on the proposition that straight soldiers cannot work with openly gay soldiers. Supporters of the ban argue that gays, if allowed to serve openly, would harm unit cohesion, troop readiness, and morale, largely because their presence would make straight soldiers self-conscious showering or dressing in front of them.

Yet some gay and lesbian soldiers are already serving openly in the U.S. armed forces. Although last year 619 soldiers were thrown out of the military for being gay, the policy is selectively enforced. According to a 2006 poll by Zogby International, 45% of service members suspect that at least one person in their unit is gay or lesbian, and 23% are sure of it. In Iraq and Afghanistan, Americans in battalions of combined international forces have fought under command of openly gay officers from Canada or the United Kingdom or alongside gay soldiers from 11 other countries (among the 25 worldwide) that allow known gays to serve: Australia, Belgium, the Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Italy, Lithuania, the Netherlands, Norway, Spain, and Sweden. Openly gay, armed military contractors serve alongside U.S. soldiers in combat theaters as well.

Such experiences have helped to move some veterans, including U.S. representative Patrick Murphy, a straight Irish Catholic Blue Dog Democrat from Pennsylvania, to work for DADT’s repeal. Murphy taught constitutional law at West Point, volunteered for overseas deployment after 9/11, served in Bosnia, went to Baghdad as a paratrooper and Judge Advocate General’s Corps attorney with the 82nd Airborne Division, and was awarded the Bronze Star. Along the way, he says, “I saw great officers, great leaders, who had to resign their commission because they wanted to live by Army values, and they feel that it’s inconsistent with those values to live a lie.” And he was deeply troubled when he saw talented soldiers being replaced by mediocre ones because of DADT: “My battle buddy in one of the toughest courses in the Army got kicked out because he happened to be gay. And the guy who took his place couldn’t carry his lunch.”

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  • Name: RD
    Date posted: 12/30/2009 5:44:57 AM
    Hometown: Sydney

    Comment:

    A refreshing perspective and approach that completely blows the lid-off DADT, leaving no room for interpretation or general references, insightfully and candidly dismissed by the soldiers themselves. Hats-off to you for crafting such a relevent and significant piece of work.

  • Name: Richard
    Date posted: 12/3/2009 12:50:47 PM
    Hometown: Wilmington DE

    Comment:

    This guy wearing the red tie is really hot...Married , kids ,all that stuff and really , not gay at all . But there's one thing in life that turns him on morethan his fleshlight it,s another guys mouth on his thick cut cock .mA NICE EIGHT INCHER , He really gets turned on if it's like in a mens room , like at HOMO DEPOT . And nobody can get more excited than the guy who qwill kneel there sucking that boner and listening to his nasty monologue , all about "You fuckin cocksucker pervert freak , suck a REAL man's cock, etc . Really hot , this guy in the pic . And oh yeah I was in the Navy , concurrent with our attempted Dictatorship in Viet Nam....between Boot Camp , Hospital training , the Nam and a really huge Navy Hospital I sucked dick pretty much every day/night , whatever . And I mean some really HOT sex.Once , while stationed in Norfolk , I discovered a small and fantastic little bar on the upper west side where Navy guys like myself went whenever they hit the city....o

  • Name: Bryant
    Date posted: 11/19/2009 12:02:44 AM
    Hometown: Phoenix

    Comment:

    If they don't repeal DADT, than they shouldn't require gay men to sign up for the draft either. If gays can't serve their country when they want to, why should the be forced to serve it when the government wants them to?

  • Name: John Obrien
    Date posted: 11/2/2009 11:54:44 AM
    Hometown: Boston

    Comment:

    'Lower-Class' background = dumb and unsophisticated? Yeah, my high I.Q., ability to speak 3 languages, and artistic skills are just flukes. So many assholes, so little time.

  • Name: Gina9223
    Date posted: 10/30/2009 9:41:44 PM
    Hometown: Seymour, Ct

    Comment:

    I was in the Navy for 20 years and retired with a Honorable Discharge. From the start I knew Gays were in the Navy. During my initial physical at the MEPS station a Corpsman did nothing to hide that he was Gay. During my service I knew about 65 Gays, Lesbians, Bisexuals, Transgender and Intersexed Service Members. Every time they were harassed and persucuted and then discharged. It was never right. I served with NATO detachments and worked with our allied sailors. Our NATO allies do honor their Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgender citizens and allow them to serve their nations proudly. Early in my career during a routine physical exam it was discoverd that I'm Intersexed. I only managed to stay in because of a Gay doctor. Even being nearly 'normal' I still worked hard to meet the demands of the job and met those demands. Yes, the DADT issue only deals with sexuality. I just wish it included a conversation about Transgender and Intersexed Service members as well. We serve too.

  • Name: Gary
    Date posted: 10/30/2009 4:16:20 PM
    Hometown: St. Louis

    Comment:

    I'm the son of an AF Colonel. Most of my friends fathers were in the AF, too. My perspective on this is a little different than some of the others here for some obvious reasons. About a third of my friends went to Military Academies after graduating from HS (I was accepted into one also). Most all graduated from those academies, a few transferred out to 'regular' universities as I did.I'm Bi & still very liberal, as are most of my academy graduate friends. I can think of only one of these guys who thinks DADT is a good idea, and he's an ass. The rest are afraid to make their opinions known because there's always some ass who wants to make your life miserable and maybe get a promotion by doing it. I have no problems loudly criticizing the Pentagon's stupidity for these dumb-ass policies, and all of my friends agree w/my views. (HMMMMM!!!) Your excellent article only confirms what I already know to be true in my small corner of the world. Rep. Murphy is one of the best & brightest

  • Name: Randy
    Date posted: 10/30/2009 12:55:58 PM
    Hometown: Beaverton

    Comment:

    I served from 1982 to 1992 in the USAF in Security Police (now called Security Forces). I knew of a few people who were gay and it was not easy for them. The atmosphere was like living in a totalitarian regime with secret police around every corner. I struggled with coming to terms with who I was during that time. My attitude was one of in-tolerance towards gays because that was what was expected. As I spent more time in the service I became disenchanted with the military. In 1995 I came out and have been happier ever since. If the military policy had been tolerant of gays I probably would have come to terms with who I was sooner and would have served 10 more years. Repeal the ban. There are plenty of rules and regulations in place that assure morale and cohesion. It's up to the leaders to step up and prove it.

  • Name: Mike
    Date posted: 10/26/2009 11:42:21 AM
    Hometown: Pensacola

    Comment:

    I've been active duty for more than ten years, much of it in special operations (and I'm straight). Yes, there is a general attitude that you can casually make gay jokes and comments in that atmosphere. But as for actual hate. there's very, very little, and I've been more often surprised by people who would have no problem with gay people serving openly, than by those who see that as a major problem. On the other hand, the subject of women serving is often more divisive. Many of the arguments against gay people serving involve damage to morale and good order and discipline -- anyone who has seen families and military units torn apart by jealousy and infidelity knows that this is already a major problem with women serving. I advocate women serving too, outside of combat, the military is overall much stronger for having both women and me. But my point is that the subject of women in uniformpresents the strongest practical argument for allowing gay people to serve openly.

  • Name: Ann
    Date posted: 10/22/2009 10:02:13 PM
    Hometown: Tucson

    Comment:

    I found this article reflects the sentiment of most of the people I served in the military with. We don't care about a person's sexual orientation, we want to know that our buddies will be there when we need them. Even the people I knew who considered themselves "evangelical believers" were amazingly pragmatic about such things. My enlistment is up soon and I won't be re-upping, not because of the opinions of people in my unit, but because I won't serve again when I can't be completely honest about who I am. I won't hide, and I won't wait around for the other shoe to fall....I loved my time in the military, hope for the sake of future military that DADT is finally eliminated. The bigots and haters will just have to find something else to do, they won't be missed.

  • Name: Ann
    Date posted: 10/22/2009 10:01:33 PM
    Hometown: Tucson

    Comment:

    I found this article reflects the sentiment of most of the people I served in the military with. We don't care about a person's sexual orientation, we want to know that our buddies will be there when we need them. Even the people I knew who considered themselves "evangelical believers" were amazingly pragmatic about such things. My enlistment is up soon and I won't be re-upping, not because of the opinions of people in my unit, but because I won't serve again when I can't be completely honest about who I am. I won't hide, and I won't wait around for the other shoe to fall....I loved my time in the military, hope for the sake of future military that DADT is finally eliminated. The bigots and haters will just have to find something else to do, they won't be missed.

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