Psychiatrist explains the Kinsey scale to two men and blows their minds

More than 70 years after its release, the Kinsey scale still blows people's minds.

Dr. Amir Ahuja, the director of psychiatry at the Los Angeles LGBTQ Center, went on TMZ Live recently to explain the Kinsey scale, and TMZ's straight hosts were left shook.

TMZ invited Dr. Ahuja on to follow up on a recent story about actor Lukas Gage. On the In Your Dreams With Owen Thiele podcast, the Overcompensating star opened up about his sexuality.

"I'm like 10 percent straight or 10 percent bi," Gage said, prompting Thiele to ask if he's hooked up with a girl. "Multiple, many," Gage said.

TMZ Live hosts Harvey Levin and Charles Latibeaudiere are on the case, asking Dr. Ahuja, "About how common is it that people are not 100 percent gay, 100 percent straight? What do the studies show here?"

"There's been a lot of spectrum studies in the past, obviously starting with Kinsey, which we're familiar with the Kinsey scale of zero being exclusively heterosexual, to six being exclusively homosexual," Dr. Ahuja begins. "And they've repeated that many times, where most people are in the middle. So in fact, very few people are on either end of the spectrum. Some studies would say 10 percent, 20 percent would be on one end, maybe less."

Kinsey's groundbreaking 1948 and 1953 reports on human sexuality found that 37 percent of males had "at least some overt homosexual experience to orgasm" and that 46 percent had "reacted" sexually to people of both sexes during their adult lives.

"Wait a minute, so you're saying 80 percent of the people are not one way or the other? Wow," Levin exclaims.

"Behavior is much murkier than the actual categories you call yourself," Dr. Ahuja says. "So, what I'm saying is that most people have some level of bisexual behavior. That's what the studies would show."

"I'm shocked by this. I'm stunned by what you just said," Levin replies. "That 80 percent of the people are in some form bisexual. Is that more prevalent with women, men, both, what?"

"Studies have shown that it's pretty prevalent with everyone," Dr. Ahuja replies, explaining that these behaviors can happen throughout different periods of life and can change.

"What Kinsey showed back in the 1940s is that you can have a certain score as a teenager and then not have that score as an adult, so there's a lot of fluidity to this," he continues. "I think the way we understand this in the field is that it is both a spectrum and it's fluid, so it's changing. And it's not as easy as we think when we use these categories."

"My mind is blown by this. 80 percent! I'm stunned by that!" Levin says.

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