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Obama Official Asked About Antigay Ugandan Bill


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During a briefing on the Obama administration’s worldwide five-year HIV/AIDS strategy, Ambassador Eric Goosby, the U.S. global AIDS coordinator, said he hoped “science would lead the way” in combating the disease in countries where homophobic attitudes often prevail.

Goosby was specifically asked about Uganda, where legislation is pending that would extend the punishment for engaging in gay sex to life imprisonment and introduce the death penalty for those who do so repeatedly or while HIV-positive — acts termed "aggravated homosexuality” within the bill.

Though he declined to say how the administration would respond if the bill passes, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton took a firm stand Monday against targeting gays. “We have to stand against any efforts to marginalize and criminalize and penalize members of the LGBT community worldwide,” Clinton said.

Canadian prime minister Stephen Harper and British prime minister Gordon Brown have both expressed opposition to the bill. The Swedish government has threatened to cut development assistance to Uganda if the measure becomes law.

Goosby had intimated in an interview last week that it was not his role “to tell a country how to put forward their legislation.”

The Advocate asked Goosby, “As you know, there's a bill pending in Uganda — have you considered what you will do if that bill passes and, more generally, how you will be working with some African countries that harbor homophobic attitudes and target gays?”

Goosby responded, “We have a similar evolution in our country — we've had legislation that was put up every year during the early days of Ryan White that anything promoting 'homosexual behavior' was considered unacceptable and anything that did fall into that very large category was — attempts were made to not have those funded within the Ryan White context, things that promoted homosexual behavior.

“We're familiar with that type of mind-set, and from a public health perspective it has no place in trying to engage and curtail movement of the virus into the population.

“Our collective experience globally in every country, both in developing and in resource-poor settings, has shown that every time your target a population in a negative way and put restraints and constrictions on their ability to reveal themselves to the society, to the community, you push that behavior further underground. When you push it further underground, individuals always come in later to care — later stage of the disease — and continue in that period off their antiretrovirals to participate in high-risk behaviors that further spreads the virus through that community.

“Our hope would be to — in a collegial and respectful way — to work with our colleagues in a country who are in policy-making decision places to understand that relationship, to understand the science of how the virus moves through populations and how you need, as the public health responsible entity, to position yourself in front of each of those expanding waves of seroconversion. And until you do that, that remains a conduit for the virus to reenter the general, not high-risk behavior population.

“So our hope is, is that the science will lead the way and that that dialogue can stay on that level and that the governments that are involved will realize that it's in their interest and the interest of the larger population for them to develop strategies that address these populations.

Goosby also outlined the following points of emphasis as the administration moves forward on its five-year HIV/AIDS strategy.

-Transition from an emergency response to promotion of sustainable country programs;

-Strengthen partner government capacity to lead the response to this epidemic and other health demands;

-Expand prevention, care, and treatment in both concentrated and generalized epidemics;

--ntegrate and coordinate HIV/AIDS programs with broader global health and development programs to maximize impact on health systems; and

-Invest in innovation and operations research to evaluate impact, improve service delivery and maximize outcomes.

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Reader Comments
  • Name: Franz
    Date posted: 12/1/2009 10:12:38 PM
    Hometown: Seattle

    Comment:

    I hate when people are verbose instead of just saying " I don't give a damn about people getting prosecuted or put to death because they are gay." I really doubt that the disease in most african countries is a "gay" disease no more than it is a gay disease here in the states. That's like saying we support cancer research and scientific enlightenment but we don't want to get involved in the Apartheid in South Africa. What is this, the third grade debate team, ASK THE QUESTIONS AND NEEDLE THEM UNTIL THEY ANSWER. Sec Clinton is a diplomatic figurehead and she is saying something about it, so the president's aides should be able to do better than that. While we are still giving remittances we should expect recognition of basic human rights. Unfortunately it doesn't really seem that we are really against the idea in Uganda as well.

  • Name: JT
    Date posted: 12/1/2009 5:28:42 PM
    Hometown: Lewiston, ME

    Comment:

    @Daniel, You make many good points, but unlike his campaign indicated; what hope has Obama offered the LGBT community? I have more confidence and hope in her than I ever had in Obama. There is no excuse for him to not have ALREADY taken a stand against this. If 'dubya' were still President, I could understand. But I think even he would be against this. But 'dubya' never hesitated to make his disapproval known. Obama doesn't have the gall or the balls to take a stand for the people, only for his own interests. A typical politician

  • Name: Daniel S
    Date posted: 12/1/2009 5:07:24 PM
    Hometown: New Hope, PA

    Comment:

    To be fair this guy's job is entirely in the medical sphere and he's not in a position to make statements about U.S. foreign policy. I've no doubt the Ugandans would argue that they are addressing the gay population by trying to crush it. It's little different than when Hitler claimed (among many other things) that Jews spread disease and that justified getting rid of them. However, in like of the strong stands being taken by some foreign government, including even right-winger Stephen Harper, one can hope that Obama will weigh in with similar firmness.



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