Trans Changes for Pa. Driver's Licenses

FIRST IN FAYETTE COUNTY: i just went through this supposedly simple change with form in hand and Money order. I had to leave and return 3 times before the Manager of the Licensing Office was able to make the change that my form ordered! It was a bit embarassing, but at the same time liberating, he couldn't understand why such a mistake was on my license to begin with. The only thing that bothered me is that they KEPT my old license!!!! i felt that this should have been returned to me with a hole punched in it, like every other time i got my license renewed. But new license in hand, new photo on it, and my Big Old Capital "F" on it, i walked out as if i was given a VALIDATION that finally someone has recognized, that I AM A PERSON. I was forced to quit my job last May, over this same issue... I worked for a college, and they felt that since my License had a "M" on it, i was forbidden to use the ladies room!!! come on!! Personally i go to the restroom to PEE, not to SHOP!

I'm glad to hear this. I think it is just going along with the passport change. I mean... it's pretty stupid that a plain old state ID would be harder to change than your frigging passport... Oh, and to the comments below about being worried about men in your bathroom now... get a life. We'll use the bathroom of our choice with or without our ids changed. and if a pervert wants to go in the bathroom and rape you or listen to you pee... chances are he isn't going to show you his id if you ask for it! seriously people, think about it for two seconds and relax... Nothing changes for you cisgendered people, just a bit of ease for us trannies. you wouldn't even notice anything happened if you didn't read this lol

one of the most important things about "passing" is a safety issue, you never know who is not going to be ok with and try to hurt you. also for the comfort of the trans person

Justin, why should a transsexual's ability or unability to pass be a factor? I've seen many butch lesbians get called out for using women's restrooms because they were mistaken for men. Is all this to say that only people who look like women can use the women's restroom? As Alice pointed out, why are we Americans so hung up over this?

@Sweetbrandgirl2004: You do have a point if trangendered people are going to use the public restroom ,and they are "so-called unpassable" wouldn't it be somewhat confusing for some people? Just asking.

Mewant to mention - we had a mini-crisis her in MD re the drivers license issue, but Equality MD did some educating, and at least for now all is ok.

Oh horrrors from the religious zealots I am sure. Somehow I can't remember being raped by the guy in our health club locker room who looked familiar. Finally - he's the guy who testified at a school board hearing "growing up as a girl......:" I really have compassion for him. They can turn a physical girl into a guy, but my guess is the dick is tiny by comparison. I don't want to know, but if someone had seen something on the trans guy, and given him some shit, I can guarantee that the shithead would be thrown out of the club, hopefully bare ass naked.

@sweetbrandigirl2004: You're right, I don't use the women's room. I was responding to your comment "I guess pantie checks will be necessary," in order to determine which bathroom one should use. If you need to check what's between someone's legs to make sure that they have female genitalia, that implies that you cannot tell any other way, as is the case (most of the time) with me. Second, you comment later about the person who "throws on a dress and tons of makeup... and self diagnosis [sic]." Well, if you read the article, you would see that one needs "to back [their new gender] up with verification from a licensed medical or psychological caregiver." So no, not just anyone could get their licence changed. Finally. I'm completely pre-op and pre-HRT right now. I can't afford surgery and due to continuing difficulties with my family, I am holding off. What does that matter? I'm still a guy, and what right do you have to say I'm not because I haven't had GRS or HRT?

sweetbrandigirl2004, everytime you post you continue to display your ignorance! Why would a non-op transsexual be any less a woman than a post-op? Altering the genitalia miraculously changes the mind? GRS (Genital Reassignment Surgery) is unbelieveably expensive and dangerous, requiring a lengthy recovery time (during which, the patient usually cannot work to support herself, adding to the expense). Because of the health dangers, many transsexuals are unable to have GRS. A transsexual is a woman only if she looks like a woman? BULL! Not all are fortunate to have been born with feminine bodies. The hulking, broad shouldered 6 footer's mind can be just as female as any other woman's. What about the intersex (which occur with about 1 in every 1500-2000 people?) who have indeterminate genitalia? Which restroom should they use? Btw, reread the article. It refers only to people living fulltime in the "new" gender, per a medical or psychological caregiver. Grow up and get a clue!

First @ Seth your right I probable would object if I saw you in the ladies room if your as passable as a man as you say ,but then if that's the case why would you use the ladies room if you can go undetected in the mens room. @ jeannie sorry hun but you missed understand I have NOTHING against anyone Diagnosis with GID who is following the SOC to correct it, this would be your "True" Transsexual ,which is far different then your run of the mill Trangender ie: Cders, Drag Queen or non op trans = shemale. @Alice you asked how one would know well when a person 6' tall walls in wobbling in heels and dressed like a two dollar whore with huge hands broad shoulders and a deep voice it's not hard to figure out that it's a man dressed as a women. Just because someone throws on a dress and tons of make up doesn't make them a women, Also those who self diagnosis and take Internet hormones but refuse to have GRS surgery are only living out a fantasy to live "LIKE" a women doesn't make you one.