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Obama Talks All Things LGBT With The Advocate

In April, The Advocate's Kerry Eleveld sat down for an exclusive interview with now-president-elect Barack Obama. Now, on the eve of his inauguration, Advocate.com takes a look back at what he said then on all things LGBT.
An Advocate.com exclusive posted December 23, 2008
Obama Talks All Things LGBT With The Advocate

Democratic presidential front-runner Barack Obama has been weathering a small storm lately in the LGBT community for being too tight-lipped with gay and lesbian news media.

Unlike his rival Hillary Clinton, who's given interviews to Logo and several local papers since appearing on the cover of The Advocate last fall, the Illinois senator has talked only once, to The Advocate, to address the Donnie McClurkin controversy. But last week his campaign offered our magazine an exclusive sit-down in Chicago with the man who may well become the next president of the United States.

To some extent, it symbolizes the brilliance of a protracted primary contest where candidates continually pivot and adjust in order to engage ever more voters. Had the race stopped cold in the snows of New Hampshire, gays and lesbians would have been left with one interview of record for each Democratic candidate in total.

But in a wide-ranging interview this Monday, Obama discussed "don't ask, don't tell," the Reverend Wright, and why LGBT folks should lead on marriage equality, not politicians. Some may call the chat a shrewd political move by the Obama camp ahead of the April 22 Pennsylvania primary. We call it access. 

The Advocate: Let’s start with what’s hot -- why the silence on gay issues? You’ve done only one other interview with the LGBT press. I know people wish they were hearing more from you.
Senator Obama: I don’t think it’s fair to say "silence" on gay issues. The gay press may feel like I’m not giving them enough love. But basically, all press feels that way at all times. Obviously, when you’ve got a limited amount of time, you’ve got so many outlets. We tend not to do a whole bunch of specialized press. We try to do general press for a general readership.

But I haven’t been silent on gay issues. What’s happened is, I speak oftentimes to gay issues to a public general audience. When I spoke at Ebenezer Church for King Day, I talked about the need to get over the homophobia in the African-American community; when I deliver my stump speeches routinely I talk about the way that antigay sentiment is used to divide the country and distract us from issues that we need to be working on, and I include gay constituencies as people that should be treated with full honor and respect as part of the American family. 

So I actually have been much more vocal on gay issues to general audiences than any other presidential candidate probably in history. What I probably haven’t done as much as the press would like is to put out as many specialized interviews. But that has more to do with our focus on general press than it does on… I promise you, the African-American press says the same thing.

And Spanish-language?
And Spanish-language [outlets] had the same gripe. Just generally, we have generally tried to speak to broader audiences. That’s all that is. 

I think the underlying fear of the gay community is that if you get into office, will LGBT folks be last on the priority list?
I guess my point would be that the fact that I’m raising issues accordant to the LGBT community in a general audience rather than just treating you like a special interest that is sort of off in its own little box -- that, I think, is more indicative of my commitment. Because ultimately what that shows is that I’m not afraid to advocate on your behalf outside of church, so to speak. It’s easy to preach to the choir; what I think is harder is to speak to a broader audience about why these issues are important to all Americans. 

If you were elected, what do you plan to do for the LGBT community -- what can you reasonably get done?
I reasonably can see “don’t ask, don’t tell” eliminated. I think that I can help usher through an Employment Non-Discrimination Act and sign it into law.

You think it’s transgender-inclusive?
I think that’s going to be tough, and I’ve said this before. I have been clear about my interest in including gender identity in legislation, but I’ve also been honest with the groups that I’ve met with that it is a heavy lift through Congress. We’ve got some Democrats who are willing to vote for a noninclusive bill, but we lose them on an inclusive bill, and we just may not be able to generate the votes. I don’t know. And obviously, my goal would be to get the strongest possible bill -- that’s what I’ll be working for. 

The third thing I believe I can get done is in dealing with federal employees, making sure that their benefits, that their ability to transfer health or pension benefits the same way that opposite-sex couples do, is something that I’m interested in making happen and I think can be done with some opposition, some turbulence, but I think we can get that done.

And finally, an area that I’m very interested in is making sure that federal benefits are available to same-sex couples who have a civil union. I think as more states sign civil union bills into law the federal government should be helping to usher in a time when there’s full equality in terms of what that means for federal benefits.

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Kerry Eleveld is news editor of The Advocate.
Keywords:  2008 Election  Barack Obama 

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  • Name: Salchak Toka
    Date posted: 2008-12-26 5:27 PM
    Hometown: Turan

    Comment:

    Granny from Menifee and others: Give us all a break, please. Hillary Clinton is better at talking the pro-gay talk, but some good that will do us when she maneuvers us into another war, as she was itching to do throughout her campaign. Face it, folks--it was a lousy bunch of Democrats in 2008, who looked good only when compared with that loathsome collection of fascists and bigots contending for the Republican nomination.


  • Name: Tom Brown
    Date posted: 2008-12-25 4:36 PM
    Hometown: Daytona Beach

    Comment:

    The only value in digging this out of the archives is that it will let us compare what Obama said back in April to a gay magazine, and what he will say to the general public on Inauguration Day. How many times will he actually use the word "gay"? He is very clever at being vague about timetables and priorities. If he loses Congressional seats in the mid-term election, as most incumbents do, will the GLBT to-do list be shoved back to the second term?


  • Name: kaa
    Date posted: 2008-12-25 8:02 AM
    Hometown: ky

    Comment:

    I will never be sorry that I voted for Obama. He will be a far better president than G.W. Bush has been or McCain would hav been on all issues, including those that concern the GLBT community. Do I agree with him on every issue? No, but then if he had agreed with me on every issue he probably would not be the president-elect. Do I wish that he had chosen somebody other than Rick Warren to give the invocation. ABSOLUTELY! I believe that the GLBT community will gain rights and will make progress during his administration. I am certainly willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.


  • Name: Granny
    Date posted: 2008-12-24 11:47 PM
    Hometown: Menifee, CA

    Comment:

    I agree with most of the posts above except for Steve. Yes Steve, there is a Santa Clause and just wait what you get under your tree. Obama has started out on the wrong foot and he will continue on that path throughout his Presidency. I am sorry I voted for him. I really wanted Hillary.


  • Name: Carol
    Date posted: 2008-12-24 6:46 PM
    Hometown: MO

    Comment:

    If GLBT are equal with the heterosexual people, including their heterosexual relatives ,Mr. Obama , then why aren't they, as of this day, Dec. 24, 2008? I think it's great to do away with Don't Ask, don't tell, and that you think you can issue in a non-discrimation at work act into law, but I'm sorry, that doesn't make them equal under the law as the rest of us are. I understand that they are being punished by Religious Churches, but this country is not a Church, it is a government of the people, by the people and for the people of the U. S.. The last time I looked GLBT were people.


  • Name: Mike
    Date posted: 2008-12-24 1:04 PM
    Hometown: Chicago

    Comment:

    Obama doesn't deserve a break, because the only "break" he's giving to people is to the people of the church. Wrong party Obama....you're uninvited.


  • Name: Laurent
    Date posted: 2008-12-24 12:40 AM
    Hometown: Ottawa, Canada

    Comment:

    I hate to say it but Barak Obahma said everything you wanted to hear to gain your support. But since the election he is playing lip service to the people who got him elected. As an outsider, Hilary Clinton was more honest in her interactions with the GLBT contingent, Obahma only latched on when he saw the fund raising potential. But whe it came push to shove he was awfully silent, a simple speech from him could have totally changed the results in California, but unlike Hilary who believed it was the States who should set the definition, Obahma believes int born again Christian idea of a man and a woman. No help from that front and don't expect it, he would probably vote yes on the question. DADT will get redacted but not from any direction from his office, he only cares about armed forces levels of personnel and not having to bring back the draft. He would like to end stop-loss.


  • Name: Daniel S
    Date posted: 2008-12-23 5:51 PM
    Hometown: New Hope, PA

    Comment:

    I think it was useful to post this, because it does serve to remind everyone of where he's coming from here. In this interview Obama sounds rather ambivalent about gay rights. Like he acknowledges that we have problems but that they aren't really major concerns for him. His actions since the election bear this out. We didn't rate an appeasement appointment to his Cabinet like other groups did. He sees our loss of civil rights in California and Rick Warren's role in that as a minor "disagreement". I personally don't expect much effort from him on our behalf, nor any real outreach to our community.


  • Name: Xavier
    Date posted: 2008-12-23 5:46 PM
    Hometown: Amsterdam, NL

    Comment:

    Obama said, "our campaign is built around the idea that we should all be talking." If that's so, why is he only giving a platform to religious zealots like: Rick Warren, Donne McClurkin, Rev. Wright. Where are the gay speakers Obama?


  • Name: Steve
    Date posted: 2008-12-23 5:22 PM
    Hometown: San Fran

    Comment:

    Tom- Give the man a break, as he is not in office yet. I think the Obama Administration will be very good on queer issues.


  • Name: Tom
    Date posted: 2008-12-23 4:24 PM
    Hometown: San Jose

    Comment:

    I, for one, would like my vote back, please. We have the Rick Warren fiasco, and no gay cabinet members. I think Mr. Obama has made clear by his actions where he stands on gay rights and issues. We're about to have four more years of George Bush, but with a loftier midwestern accent.


  • Name: Pete
    Date posted: 2008-12-23 3:07 PM
    Hometown: Studio City, California

    Comment:

    This is an old interview. Why post it again? In light of the recent Rick Warren insult, it would be nice to hear from Sen. Obama once again and see how he wiggles out of it this time. I mad as hell about this. I expect more from someone who has been the subject of discrimination himself. It's a good thing for him that Martin Luther King, Jr., was a more courageous man than Sen. Obama is. Come on, Sen. Obama, we demand more from you!


  • Name: keith
    Date posted: 2008-12-23 2:36 PM
    Hometown: San Francisco

    Comment:

    BHO: "I include gay constituencies as people that should be treated with full honor and respect as part of the American family." But not respected enough to invite one of the 18,000 families whose marriages are being challenged to his inauguration. Why aren't there pictures of Obama standing with our families telling the world how proud he is of our struggle to gain recognition and how much he is going to support our right to stay in tact. He can invite the hatemongers who want to destroy our families, but we remain invisible.


  • Name: Jay
    Date posted: 2008-12-23 2:12 PM
    Hometown: New Orleans

    Comment:

    Paula who wrote: "I hope that all LGBT citizens realize that if gender identity is not included in ENDA, that many of them are at risk of employment discrimination. Leaving out gender identity would mean that a Gay man that's too feminine or a Lesbian women that is too masculine can still be terminated or disciplined at the work place." I agree that gender identity should be included in ENDA. However, it may be that transgender citizens may have more employment protections now than glbt people. A couple of federal courts have recently declared that discriminating against transgender people or against people who do not fit gender stereotypes violate the laws against discrimination against people because of their sex. They have not, unfortunately, ruled that firing people on the basis of sexual orientation is illegal.


  • Name: Richard Givens
    Date posted: 2008-12-23 2:09 PM
    Hometown: Las Vegas, NV

    Comment:

    AGAIN! and again and again..the writers of this magazine fail to ask government leaders about The Uniting American Families Act (UAFA). When is this magazine going to recognize the plight of bi-national couples seperated by a wantonly cruel US immigration policy that does not allow us to even abide together in this country? You failed to ask Tammy Baldwin, Barney Frank, and now Barack Obama. YOU"RE NOT HELPING FOLKS! If you're going to call yourself a reporter, you should at least be familar with the issues. Thanks for nothing!


  • Name: Richard
    Date posted: 2008-12-23 12:05 PM
    Hometown: Louisville, KY

    Comment:

    Why is this even here? It is not news. This is an old interview that occured before the election. An"exlusive interview" that was "posted" today. Is the Advocate trying to fill space or backpeddling to try and tell us that we should still have hopes for Obama? Since this interview and after he has gotten elected has changed his rhetoric on Don't Ask Don't Tell, hasn't assigned any GLBT people to cabinet positions or major offices, and he has sent a clear message by having Rick Warren that he is as insensitive (or dumb) as any other politician. Are were supposed to say thank you very much, as we get screwed over again?!


  • Name: JAMES LUCAS FOUTZ
    Date posted: 2008-11-12 8:43 PM
    Hometown: GREENVILLE, OHIO

    Comment:

    I am saddened to see nothing in this article about a FEDERAL HATE CRIME BILL which has been defeated several times. As a victim and now disabled survivor due to a serious hate crime I feel this issue is of vital importance to ALL Americans, gay and straight! 10 years ago a young male was beaten and strung up on a fence post and left to die. The vibrant memory of Matthew Shepard lives within each of us in the LGBT community ~ Let us NEVER forget who we are or the equality and respect that each of deserves as Americans but more importantly as HUMAN BEINGS! I hope Barrack Obama remembers US ALL when he takes office on January 20, 2008 and stands firm to his word that he will indeed strive to make America a better, safer, brighter place for ALL Americans, regardles of what our differences happen to be!


  • Name: Paula Kaski
    Date posted: 2008-06-01 7:17 PM
    Hometown: Albuquerque

    Comment:

    I hope that all LGBT citizens realize that if gender identity is not included in ENDA, that many of them are at risk of employment discrimination. Leaving out gender identity would mean that a Gay man that's too feminine or a Lesbian women that is too masculine can still be terminated or disciplined at the work place. The employer will simply have the loop hole of saying "the employee was not terminated because they are G or L. But they were terminated because their appearance or temperament or preferred name was not in line with company policy".


  • Name: Early L. Jackson
    Date posted: 2008-05-29 3:19 PM
    Hometown: Baltimore, MD

    Comment:

    Ok I really don't think that Hillary will do anything just like her husband promised us the world and gave us don't ask dont tell. I'm a former Marine and I was discharged before my time thatnks to jis failed policy. I hope that Sen. Obama will make good on his promises. I personally don't care what my union is called as long as I know in my what it is and I have the same rights as every other tax paying american. I love women but Hillary is not the one to lead us. She is too emotional and I'm sure that will cause us problems later. Just as long as Mcain dosen't get in I'll be happy


  • Name: Rusty Fox
    Date posted: 2008-05-19 7:58 PM
    Hometown: Los Angeles

    Comment:

    Sen. obama once again uses the loftiest of language and verbal abstracts to dazzle the listener with sound and noise signifying nothing. It is known that his new pastor, Rev. Meeks, is listed by the Southern Poverty Law Center as one of the top 10 homophobic ministers in the Black community. And Obama has his young daughters listening to this preached hatred of Meeks and Wright! Passing the legacy of bigotry on to the next generation? Once again, Sen Clinton has shown leadership and compassion. It is OUR loss if we allow the DNC and media to take our voices away from us by putting the process of picking a candidate on a fast track of ordaining the Senator from Illinois. We MUST be heard. Gay men and Lesbians are railroaded so often in this media driven, bigoted society. Don't let the DNC disenfranchise FLA and MICH or crown Obama before he "wins"


  • Name: Fuzzie Allen
    Date posted: 2008-05-15 6:14 PM
    Hometown: St. Louis Missouri

    Comment:

    Nothing new here. Abstruse promises wih little substance. Hillary Clinton is very clear on her stance for universal civil unions, if not yet full gay marriage should she change her mind sometime later in her possible Presidency. Obama advocates here federal protection for those already in same sex civil unions. But what about the rest who are not there yet? Is he leaving us out in the cold? Also, Obama is very religiously "Christian" - more apt to be over zealous towards full LGBT rights. Clinton is not so fundamentalist. As queer people. vote your own conscience, however.


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