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The New Religious Right

Does the organizational and fund-raising prowess displayed by the LDS church during California’s Proposition 8 campaign augur future political might?
From The Advocate  January 13, 2009
The New Religious Right

In june the governing body of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints sent a letter to every Mormon congregation in California asking that a message be read to members at Sunday services stating that “marriage between a man and a woman is ordained of God,” and “local church leaders will provide information about how you may become involved in this important cause.” The cause was Proposition 8, and church members were implored to “do all you can to support the proposed constitutional amendment by donating of your means and time.”

Mormons heeded the call. Not only did they donate what appears to be a majority of the funds raised by the Yes on 8 campaign -- an estimated $20 million, according to Prop. 8 opponents, much of it from out of state -- but church members also volunteered thousands of man-hours in support of the amendment. Though the Mormon Church avoided a visible public role in the campaign, it did formally join the coalition of religious groups supporting the amendment, and a prominent member, Mark Jansson, served on the Yes on 8 executive committee. (Jansson was one of four signatories to a public letter threatening a boycott of businesses whose owners contributed to No on 8.)

Mormons make up only 2% of California’s population, so the fact that they played such an outsize role in the Yes on 8 campaign testifies to their rigid and efficient organization as a religious community. Because the church requests that members tithe 10% of their annual income, LDS leaders are able to gain an accurate picture p of how much their congregants earn. With this information in hand, bishops in local communities went from house to house in California asking for specific amounts of money for the Yes on 8 campaign -- an incredibly effective fund-raising tactic. Mormons boast high rates of involvement in church-related activities, including commitments that can be quite demanding, such as missionary work, whereby members spend up to two years proselyting, often in far-flung overseas locations.

This individual discipline, obedience to hierarchical authority, and experience in exhorting people to join the faith comes in mighty handy for mass political organizing. Indeed, Mormons campaigned heavily for former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney’s unsuccessful 2008 presidential bid, especially in the key first primary state of New Hampshire. And it’s Romney’s potential future presidential aspirations, as well as Mormonism’s tortured history in America, that has led some to speculate that the church wasn’t just advocating for “traditional” marriage in the Prop. 8 fight. Perhaps it was also deliberately flaunting its power as a force to be reckoned with --showing both the broader religious right and the Washington political scene what it can do.

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  • Name: Robin
    Date posted: 2009-02-19 9:54 PM
    Hometown: Bloomington

    Comment:

    i didn't read all of this..but i don't understand why all of you are so upset. i believe everyone is entitled to there own oppinion. im not a morman, im not defending them..but if you want people to respect you, you must respect them also. if the church wants to preserve traditional marrige, then let them. if there are others that don't agree with that them let them be. theres no sense in getting in a fight about it. think about it, are you really gonna listen to someone who's really angry and mean to you because you don't agree? no, in fact they'll probly make you even more hard headed. so maybe we should all just treat each other with respect, and communicate with each other the way human beings should. p.s. just because you dont agree with somthing another person is doing dosent mean you hate them. just thought i'd point out the obvious.


  • Name: Henry
    Date posted: 2009-01-09 11:59 AM
    Hometown: Miami

    Comment:

    1. Marriage has moved from a social, to a religious and now a political institution as it has evolved from necessity to luxury. 2. Homosexuality is a conscious decision. Regardless of how you feel, your DNA make-up or the orientation of your body parts, in the end you make a choice to be homosexual. Freedom of choice is what separates us from every other creature on earth and is God given. Your welcome. 3. A democracy is mob rule. Any constitution simply protects specific rights from infringment. The 'many' have rights too. Until now marriage has been generally the presumptive norm. We are a self governing people. We must determine how marriage will continue to evolve. As a democracy it is we that have to make those decisions. Prop 8 and Prop 2 demonstrate that we, the people, are not entirely ready to embrace homosexual unions.


  • Name: James
    Date posted: 2009-01-09 10:55 AM
    Hometown: Oakland

    Comment:

    i HATE mormons, and plan on causing them as MUCH harm as i can. Boycott their businesses, out them when they sneak around in gay chat rooms, do ANYTHING i can to cause them harm. They attacked my EQUA rights as a californian, and now I plan on striking back. To all you BIGOTED mormons who spent so much money to induce bigotry into the california constitution, are you ready for a LONG and EXPENSIVE battle? We will win in the end, and all you will get is a lesson on EQUAL RIGHTS! Be glad we didnt do to you what the protesters in Oakland did after the cops shot a black thug,, wonder how you would feel if we did that kind of protest at all your churches EVERY SINGLE WEEK!


  • Name: Joseph
    Date posted: 2009-01-09 1:03 AM
    Hometown: Calabasas

    Comment:

    I am a Mormon in California. The bishops did not go door to door. Because I believe the government should be neutral on homosexuality, I am filled with hate? As a Mormon, I contacted everyone I know of who believes that those who have feelings of same gender attraction be given the exact same rights as everyone else (not more). This was not just a Mormon effort like the article suggests.


  • Name: Tyler
    Date posted: 2009-01-04 4:59 PM
    Hometown: SLC, UT

    Comment:

    It has nothing to do with hate. Neither the members nor the doctrine of the church have ever advocated hate. It is a (probably futile) attempt to conserve traditional marriage. Elder Whitney Clayton (member of the Presidency of the 70, the second highest governing body of the church- he also headed up the LDS participation in prop 8) said that the church is not opposed to civil unions or domestic partnerships. In other words the rights of gays are not in question. Bob, it is not about '$$$$$$$$$' for you since Prop 8 only changed the legal status of gay and lesbian Californians; not the rights already granted them through domestic partnership laws. And if you don't live there, it didn't affect you, let alone your bank account, at all. It all boils down to the definition of a word. That may seem ridiculous to all of you, but to Mormons that word and its implications are extremely important.


  • Name: anto
    Date posted: 2009-01-04 2:13 PM
    Hometown: dublin

    Comment:

    in Ireland we are going through a simular situation as our government wrangle over the introduction of 'civil partnership' legislation, the catholic church has always enjoyed enourmas power over state here, but in the early 1990's the terrible and shocking news of Priests involved in child abuse, many Irish people moved away from the church due to the way Bishops had allowed child abuse to spirial out of controll, their actions allowing Priests to continue abusing children, in the last few years the Pope has stepped up his hate campaign against the LGBT community to try and deflect the responsibility of his own actions away from the very real problem of child abusing Priests which he, himself and his actions, is responsible for, anto


  • Name: Gregor
    Date posted: 2009-01-04 5:00 AM
    Hometown: Denver

    Comment:

    Mormons are one of the most dangerous groups in America. They have a hatred for gay people and those not like them that is sicking.


  • Name: Chris W
    Date posted: 2009-01-03 10:25 PM
    Hometown: Berlin, Germany / New York

    Comment:

    Definition of marriage... Cool... Great actually... But what if I don't give a freaking rats ass about your opinion or your religion or however you call that people-hating cult you are stuck in. Love thy neighbor - but ONLY if he is like you. That's fascist and above all morally wrong. The 3rd Reich started that way (We are okay with you, but - oh... You are different and stripped of your rights, well - too bad...) - of course you mean no disrespect and blah blah blob - but you do express just that - through your so called religion/cult/sect/whatever you wanna call that mess of hypocrisy you try to impose on democracy in America. Your religion makes you a hater. But hey - that's it's purpose in the first place. All of that would make me think... But then again - your Bible/priest/Pope or of course the Lord does that for you. Wow - how simple and easy life can be...


  • Name: jimmy palmieri
    Date posted: 2009-01-02 4:59 PM
    Hometown: west hollywood

    Comment:

    as with the catholic church, Mormons will yell, kick, scream kill hurt and harm humanity, all in the name of THEIR GOD. My God is different. My God loves all of his children equally. How sad that organized religion, has taken to teaching hatred rather than love. Oh and Sinead O'Connor, many years ago, was so correct when she ripped up the popes picture and called him the enemy. SHE WAS RIGHT. He is an enemy to the [people as well as the heads of the Mormon cult, the yes on 8 group and all groups who teach isolation, biggotry and hatred. All of this says inequality is OK. I now know that they believe in and will financially enforce the Cast System. Shame shame shame.


  • Name: JAMES
    Date posted: 2009-01-02 3:24 PM
    Hometown: SANFORD MAINE

    Comment:

    The right and moral christans killed Mormons, because they saw Jesus in a new way. Now the Mormons hatred of gays starts the cycle all over again. GET THEM QUEERS.....AND KILL A QUEER FOR JESUS!!!


  • Name: Paul
    Date posted: 2009-01-02 8:42 AM
    Hometown: Boston, MA

    Comment:

    Wow, I'm amazed at how many trolls are posting here for the mor(m)ons. They have really stepped up their online activities to include this kind of interference. I wonder if we went to their websites and posted lying propaganda and misinformation if our posts would be deleted? Hmmm. I wonder why they think we're stupid enough not to see what's going on here. As if some idiotic posts on a website are going to make us stop wanting equal rights and freedom from religious interference.


  • Name: Cindy
    Date posted: 2008-12-29 2:56 PM
    Hometown: Rancho Cucamonga

    Comment:

    Tom, the 1,138 benefits you refer to are not ours even if we are legally married. My wife and I don't get them. With DOMA in place we will never be equals. I will be forced to file my State taxes as married and my Federal as single, even though we are legally married.


  • Name: Rick
    Date posted: 2008-12-26 3:25 AM
    Hometown: Charlotte, NC

    Comment:

    The Mormons have little credibility for sane thinking. Their own website says that Jesus is coming back soon and will move to Missouri. The little "m" in Mormons should be removed.


  • Name: Curt
    Date posted: 2008-12-22 10:16 AM
    Hometown: NY

    Comment:

    Who better to preach about traditional marriage than a church that was founded on polygamy?


  • Name: gene
    Date posted: 2008-12-21 7:10 PM
    Hometown: detroit

    Comment:

    You guys are immature. You have politicized your sexual attractions, but you cannot endure a debate in the public square. In fact, you've tried censoring any kind of openess on the issues. You are weak minded and emotionally stunted. Why don't you grow up and earn the place in society you want by winning the arguements on legitimacy. Why won't you engage in public debate? It is because you are full of self doubt. You are pathetic. This is so obvious to those outside and even some inside of your community.


  • Name: gene
    Date posted: 2008-12-21 12:26 PM
    Hometown: detroit

    Comment:

    You guys seem so immature. You are the ones that have politicized your sexual attractions. But you cannot endure a debate in the public square. In fact, you've tried censoring any kind of openess on the issues. You are weak minded and emotionally stunted. Why don't you grow up and earn the place in society you want by winning the arguements on legitimacy. Why won't you engage in public debate? It is because you are full of self doubt. This is so obvious to those outside and some inside of your community.


  • Name: gene
    Date posted: 2008-12-21 8:54 AM
    Hometown: detroit

    Comment:

    You guys seem so immature. You are the ones that have politicized your sexual attractions. But you cannot endure a debate in the public square. In fact, you've tried censoring any kind of openess on the issues. You are weak minded and emotionally stunted. Why don't you grow up and earn the place in society you want by winning the arguements on legitimacy. Why won't you engage in public debate? It is because you are full of self doubt. This is so obvious to those outside and some inside of your community.


  • Name: gene
    Date posted: 2008-12-21 8:48 AM
    Hometown: detroit

    Comment:

    You guys seem so immature. You are the ones that have politicized your sexual attractions. But you cannot endure a debate in the public square. In fact, you've tried censoring any kind of openess on the issues. You are weak minded and emotionally stunted. Why don't you grow up and earn the place in society you want by winning the arguements on legitimacy. Why won't you engage in public debate? It is because you are full of self doubt. This is so obvious to those outside and some inside of your community.


  • Name: gene
    Date posted: 2008-12-21 8:44 AM
    Hometown: detroit

    Comment:

    You guys seem so immature. You are the ones that have politicized your sexual attractions. But you cannot endure a debate in the public square. In fact, you've tried censoring any kind of openess on the issues. You are weak minded and emotionally stunted. Why don't you grow up and earn the place in society you want by winning the arguements on legitimacy. Why won't you engage in public debate? It is because you are full of self doubt. This is so obvious to those outside and some inside of your community.


  • Name: gene
    Date posted: 2008-12-21 8:43 AM
    Hometown: detroit

    Comment:

    You guys seem so immature. You are the ones that have politicized your sexual attractions. But you cannot endure a debate in the public square. In fact, you've tried censoring any kind of openess on the issues. You are weak minded and emotionally stunted. Why don't you grow up and earn the place in society you want by winning the arguements on legitimacy. Why won't you engage in public debate? It is because you are full of self doubt. This is so obvious to those outside and some inside of your community.


  • Name: gene
    Date posted: 2008-12-21 8:42 AM
    Hometown: detroit

    Comment:

    You guys seem so immature. You are the ones that have politicized your sexual attractions. But you cannot endure a debate in the public square. In fact, you've tried censoring any kind of openess on the issues. You are weak minded and emotionally stunted. Why don't you grow up and earn the place in society you want by winning the arguements on legitimacy. Why won't you engage in public debate? It is because you are full of self doubt. This is so obvious to those outside and some inside of your community.


  • Name: Steve
    Date posted: 2008-12-17 12:54 PM
    Hometown: Wichita,KS

    Comment:

    Dear Voted for prop 8, And, if given the chance, how would you have voted on the right of women to vote? How about that little thing called civil rights for African -Americans. and what about inter-ratial mariage? A person's civil rights should NEVER be put up to a popularity vote and that's what all these constitutional amendments to ban same sex marriage are all about. Thank God for "reactionary" judges because they protect us from you!


  • Name: Christopher
    Date posted: 2008-12-16 12:50 PM
    Hometown: Burbank

    Comment:

    Belief and faith seem to be miles apart


  • Name: Tom
    Date posted: 2008-12-12 7:37 PM
    Hometown: USA

    Comment:

    Any benefits that are available to unmarried couples at the state or local level are subject to federal taxation. For instance, under federal law, when gay employees include their same-sex partners or spouses under their health coverage, the fair market value of that health coverage is added to the gross income on which the gay employee must pay taxes. But the value of that health benefit is NOT added to the heterosexual employee’s gross income before assessing his or her taxes.


  • Name: Tom
    Date posted: 2008-12-12 7:36 PM
    Hometown: USA

    Comment:

    1,138 benefits and protections are provided by the United States government ONLY to legally married couples. All of those benefits and protections are denied to partners in civil unions. Among them are, according to the Office of the General Counsel of the U.S. General Accounting Office: Sick Leave to Care for Partner, Bereavement Leave, Access to Military Stores, Assumption of Spouses Pension, Immigration Insurance Breaks, Medical Decisions on Behalf of Partner, Social Security Survivor Benefits, Tax Breaks, Veterans Discounts, Visitation of Partner in Hospital, or Prison.


  • Name: Tom
    Date posted: 2008-12-12 7:35 PM
    Hometown: USA

    Comment:

    Voted for Prop 8 wrote "CA GLBTQs already had the same rights as hetero couples before the June ruling." Actually, a civil union does not offer the same rights as a marriage. A civil union is only recognized in the state the couple resides in. And a domestic partnership is only recognized on the state or local level. Many benefits are denied to civil unions at the state level, such as Assumption of Spouses Pension, Automatic Inheritance, Automatic Housing Lease Transfer, Bereavement Leave, Burial Determination, Child Custody, Crime Victims Recovery Benefits, Divorce Protection, Domestic Violence Protection, Exemption from Property Tax on Partners Death, Immunity from Testifying Against Spouse, Insurance Breaks, Joint Adoption, Joint Bankruptcy, Joint Parenting, etc.


  • Name: BradK
    Date posted: 2008-12-11 2:25 PM
    Hometown: Hollywood, CA

    Comment:

    Regarding the chasm between the Cult of Mormon Vs. other so-called Christians, I can’t help but notice a striking similarity to Islam and the homicidal, centuries-old conflict between the Sunni and Shiite sects. All Muslims claim to follow the same magic man in the sky and the teachings of His designated emissary in the same way that Christians claim similar allegiance to theirs. The devil is in the details of these allegiances. And yet both respective sub-sects will band together not out of love or piety but out of a common hatred directed at an "infidel" or "perverted" enemy. Nothing unites Sunnis and Shiites like their mutual, murderous hatred of Jews and Westerners in general. The very same can be said about Mormons and non-Mormons putting aside their loathing for one another and pooling their resources toward a duplicitous campaign of deceit to strip away the civil rights of other American human beings. When Salt Lake climbs into bed with the Vatican, be very afraid.


  • Name: Bob
    Date posted: 2008-12-11 1:43 PM
    Hometown: Dallas

    Comment:

    No Peter, you're the idiot. I've known quite a few Mormons in my life and dollyllama's statements are right on target. Mormons are truly a dangerous cult.


  • Name: Bob
    Date posted: 2008-12-11 1:40 PM
    Hometown: Dallas

    Comment:

    No Peter, you're the idiot. I've known quite a few Mormons in my life and dollyllama's statements are right on target. Mormons are truly a dangerous cult.


  • Name: Peter
    Date posted: 2008-12-10 6:06 PM
    Hometown: seattle

    Comment:

    dollyllama, you're an idiot.


  • Name: Chris
    Date posted: 2008-12-09 12:54 PM
    Hometown: LA

    Comment:

    You do realize that Prop 8 itself opens the way for anyone's existing civil rights to be taken away by a 50.00001% vote. If equal protection doesn't apply to everyone it doesn't apply to anyone. Further, no religions are ever required to recognize gay people in thier own rites/churches -- that's freedom of religion which has nothing to with a gay person going to a Justice of the Peace to get married. Please answer this: what about the freedom of religion for the UCC, Unitarians, and Reform Jewish clergy to marry thier gay couple congregants? Doesn't this relegate those religions to a two-tier or second class status? Not every religion believe what Mormons do regarding gay people. Doesn't their freedom matter? Is it not equal to the Mormon church?


  • Name: Thom
    Date posted: 2008-12-09 11:28 AM
    Hometown: reno

    Comment:

    It is fine to be angry at prop 8 but some of the posts here attacking the LDS Church are further evidence of the second hand, propaganda filtered, remote views on LDS belief, culture and history. People used similar tactics against Jews in the past to paint a vile picture of distrust. It usually turns out to be socially irresponsible to foment hatred through mis-information. Both sides here need to start with respecting one another. Slandering the other will only widen the divide.


  • Name: Dollylama
    Date posted: 2008-12-08 7:14 PM
    Hometown: Menifee, CA

    Comment:

    I know how Mormons work. They are a secret society reserved for members only. My partner's sister is a Mormon. I know them to be liars and cheats. They do all kinds of things to get around paying their taxes and other things. The Mormons did get out their lists and called on every Mormon to donate a certain amount based on their total income. They have a vast computer network. This article is accurate and I certainly applaud the author. The Mormons are out to take over the United States and they will do it through the government. Ruby you are a brainwashed slave, not an equal to your husband. Your husband is a priest like every other male Mormon and you are to obey him fully and that is stated in the Book of Mormon. You are also to produce as many children as possible because that is one of the things that determine how high you go in your heaven.


  • Name: Jay
    Date posted: 2008-12-08 5:28 PM
    Hometown: New Orleans

    Comment:

    I am amazed at the number of trolls here defending the Mormon Church. And, as usual, lying in the process. Talysin says "The leaders of the LDS Church have stated publicly willingness to support rights for homosexual couples in Utah." If this were true, there would be domestic partnership or civil unions in Utah and Idaho, where the Mormon Church can basically write any legislation they want. They obviously do not want homosexuals to have any rights. Their involvement in funding Proposition 8 is hardly the first time they have fought gay right, including decriminalizing same-sex sexual activites, employment non-discrimination, and partnership rights. They regularly excommunicate gay and lesbian members. Those who are not excommunicated are subjected to aversion therapy.


  • Name: Terre
    Date posted: 2008-12-08 2:43 PM
    Hometown: San Luis Obispo

    Comment:

    Since July, almost 600 LDS church members have expressed their disapproval with church leaders and/or resigned from the LDS church for its hostility towards gay people and support for prop 8. A copy of the site's petition and e-mails were delivered to the Mormon Church headquarters in October, but the site is still accepting signatures and letters, since this is an issue that won't go away. signingforsomething (dot) org/blog/


  • Name: dave
    Date posted: 2008-12-06 1:20 PM
    Hometown: chester,mass.

    Comment:

    Dear Lord, Save me from your followers.


  • Name: Talisyn
    Date posted: 2008-12-05 8:49 PM
    Hometown: Burley, Idaho

    Comment:

    I am amazed and impressed by this article. The level of professional journalism gives me faith for the future, and I will be reading this magazine more. It is important for people on the No on Prop 8 side to understand, not simply demonize, the LDS Church. Worthy homosexual members are welcome in their temples and all are welcome in the meetinghouses. The leaders of the LDS Church have stated publicly willingness to support rights for homosexual couples in Utah. Hopefully cooler heads will prevail and some sort of consensus reached.


  • Name: McDego
    Date posted: 2008-12-05 4:42 PM
    Hometown: Los Angeles

    Comment:

    A bi sexual friend of mine who has since renounced her Mormon faith and wrote an article about why she quit the church was told by her mother that not supporting Prop 8 and quitting the church was a "slap in the face", yet her mother somehow couldn't see that supporting prop 8 was a slap in my friends face. The Mormon road only goes one way, what's good for the goose is not good for the gander in most Christian religions anyhow. Maybe the gay community should get a proposition on the ballot making Evangelical, LDS, Catholicism illegal? The Catholics and LDS have sex with children and have been prosecuted this year for these crimes and the Evangelicals just flat out preach hate not unlike the KKK. So why do their followers hold themselves in such high regard when they consistently are the least virtuous, and most hateful group of people in this country and why aren't they held accountable?


  • Name: G
    Date posted: 2008-12-05 2:56 PM
    Hometown: Des Moines, IA

    Comment:

    Mormons have a distrust of government. Engrained in their culture is the memory of getting kicked out of Missouri by executive order, or having their leader killed while in state custody and after the Illinois governor guaranteed his security. When NPR reports about the many ways religious freedom could be restricted by new interpretations of the equal protection laws, while many Protestants react with a ‘that could never happen’ attitude, Mormons listen. Everyone seems to already know why the Mormons supported Prop 8: ‘it must be because they hate gays,’ they say. When one knows more about their beliefs (also about family and sexuality) in addition to these aspects of their culture, it is not surprising that Mormons would support the proposition in large numbers.


  • Name: ruby
    Date posted: 2008-12-05 1:39 PM
    Hometown: encinitas

    Comment:

    and there needs to be a correction because LDS leaders did give its members assigned amounts to donate. members voluntarily give tithing and other kinds of offerings-- but this donation was done through the coalition anyways.


  • Name: ruby
    Date posted: 2008-12-05 1:38 PM
    Hometown: encinitas

    Comment:

    members of the church of jesus christ of latter day saints see men and women as equal. this is why marriage is so important to them-- it is humanity's ultimate expression of equality: it takes one man and one woman. whether or not they have children-- this is a pretty sweet expression of how humanity can work together for the greater good.


  • Name: James
    Date posted: 2008-12-05 1:02 AM
    Hometown: San Diego

    Comment:

    Facts: Less than 14% of Mormons live in Utah. More Mormons live outside of the USA than inside. 500 cities were founded by LDS: Las Vegas, San Bernadino, Phoenix, Boise, outlaying San Francisco, Colonia Juarez (Mexico), Calgary. The Utah Territory was as large as Texas in the 1800's. Nauvoo IL, an LDS city, was larger than Chicago in the 1840's. Utah allowed women to vote in 1870, 30 years before the rest of the nation. The US took away Utah women's right to vote in 1897. Mormons had a suffrage movement to get back votes for women, it almost cost them statehood. Utah has the highest volunteer rate in the US. The 2nd place state trails by double digits. Provo, UT is the biggest college town in the US (over 100,000 with the highest percentage of students). Ann Arbor, MI is #2. There are as many Mormons in the US as Jews. Both are roughly 2% of the total population.


  • Name: Brett Ellingson
    Date posted: 2008-12-04 11:10 PM
    Hometown: Highland, Utah

    Comment:

    I think it's important here to differentiate between the Mormon church institution and the members themselves. It is very rare that the church institutionally puts the weight of its formidable organization behind an issue; same sex marriage and the equal rights amendment are the only issues of remotely recent memory where this has happened. The church certainly did not interfere on either side of the Romney campaign, and many Mormons opposed his candidacy on ideological grounds (Brigham Young University, for example, had a very active and fairly large Obama campaign organization). The point is, the church will not be a major player on other "religious right" issues. They do not allow political meetings in their chapels, do not endorse political parties or candidates, and generally abstain from politics except in extraordinary circumstances.


  • Name: crimen del siglo
    Date posted: 2008-12-04 8:10 PM
    Hometown: garden grove california

    Comment:

    hey Barbara, i'll make you a bumper sticker to your suggestion. send $20. or 2 stickers for $35. waiting.


  • Name: Voted for Prop 8
    Date posted: 2008-12-04 7:49 PM
    Hometown: Tigard

    Comment:

    Here is why I supported prop 8: 1. The CA supreme court overturned the 2000 law by a narrow margin of 4 to 3, allowing gays to 'marry'. Can you say 'legislating from the bench'? 'Judicial fiat'? 2. CA GLBTQs already had the same rights as hetero couples before the June ruling, but what they want is validation of their lifestyle through the courts and law to force everyone else to accept their lifestyle as normal and fine. And if it is law, schools have to teach it is great, businesses will be sued (example of the videographer who was sued for discrimination because she disagreed with the morality of taping the ssm), Private religious universities could be sued unless they allow gay couples in housing...the list goes on and on. Kiss Freedom of Religion and Freedom of Speech goodbye. 3. GLBTQs stated long ago that they wanted to get rid of all barriers to their lifestyle, including age. So, NAMBLA would be overjoyed if this had passed.


  • Name: Lori
    Date posted: 2008-12-04 7:33 PM
    Hometown: Santa Cruz, CA

    Comment:

    Kirchuk is misinformed. Bishops went door to door to church members soliciting funds for Prop 8? Sorry, that didn't happen. At least not in their official capacity. Perhaps Bishops joined the throngs of campaign volunteers and went door to door but it was to the community at large and not singling out members for donations. No Bishop pressured a member for contributions.


  • Name: BigPacific
    Date posted: 2008-12-04 7:04 PM
    Hometown: San Francisco

    Comment:

    Mormons don't actually work to enforce traditional marriage. If they did they would fight for laws against divorce, for taking children away from single parents, and against sterile people wedding. That would affect a lot more children and families than all the LGBT families. Given that lack of action to actually enforce their beliefs, one can only conclude they just don't like gay people, something amply demonstrated by their church history - look up the definition of bigotry. See much more information at MormonsAndProp8.com, where all kinds of Mormon related issues are discussed in a thoughtful way.


  • Name: Steve
    Date posted: 2008-12-04 4:23 PM
    Hometown: Carson City

    Comment:

    Barbara: it is so interesting to me how some people can categorically impugn an entire religion; make fun of their beliefs, their symbols, etc., then cry “intolerance” and “bigotry” when anyone expresses opposition to the gay/lesbian lifestyle. How can you not see that it is a two way street? We can have differing opinions and views and still coexist peacefully, but there is no place for name-calling and hatred (or bigotry) on EITHER side of the issue.


  • Name: Barbara
    Date posted: 2008-12-04 3:46 PM
    Hometown: Orlando

    Comment:

    I'm looking to buy a bumper sticker something along the line of "MORMONS: One Man, Many Women (and Young Girls)" It could be made with the graphic used in Florida (and perhaps in CA for Prop 8) to pass Amendment 2, a male and female figures. I'd pay twenty dollars for one. We could also bring the Mormon Angel Morni into the public eye for an additional educational experience for non-Mormons, that would be cool, too. "The Mormon Angel Moroni says: One husband, many wives"


  • Name: Diana Floyd
    Date posted: 2008-12-04 3:24 PM
    Hometown: Rock Island,Il

    Comment:

    I believe all this bickering should cease. People let's unite in peace and understanding. I would like very much if my union with my wife would be recognized as legally binding. But those of us who are gay and lesbian need to be the bigger persons here. The churches probably will never change...so let us be the ones to extend the hand of friendship. We are very right to expect to want equality...but this fighting is not the way. Lets resolve this on as friendly of terms as we can.


  • Name: ShellyGirl
    Date posted: 2008-12-04 1:34 PM
    Hometown: Morgan, Utah

    Comment:

    All I hear is "Mormon this, Mormon that" ...that's why we lost. No, the Mormon's did not win anything. You should go after the government to recognize your "union", just don't call it marriage. The Mormons are not the author of marriage, nor are they the government making changes on you. Grow up.


  • Name: Chuck Anziulewicz
    Date posted: 2008-12-04 12:44 PM
    Hometown: Spring Hill, West Virginia

    Comment:

    DEAR SHELLYGIRL: If "marriage" as you prefer to define it was only a religious tradition that the federal and state governments had no role to play in, this wouldn't be an issue. But the fact remains that it is not the church or any other religious institution that bestows over 1,400 legal benefits and responsibilities on married couples. At a bare minimum, the federal government has a vested interest in marriage for the purpose of tax law and Social Security benefits. And as long as law-abiding, taxpaying Gay Americans contribute their fair share into that system of benefits and responsibilities, it is UNCONSTITUTIONAL to deny us a place at the table. It's called "EQUAL PROTECTION." Here's a suggestion: Learn to live your life by The Golden Rule. Treat others as you yourself would prefer to be treated. DON'T presume to vote on someone else's marriage if you don't want them to vote on YOURS.


  • Name: Mark
    Date posted: 2008-12-04 12:40 PM
    Hometown: New York City

    Comment:

    In all the hooplah the last six weeks, all the fault finding and soul searching and earth scorching, I've seen nothing on the core problem: an iniative process in California that allows a simple fifty-plus-one majority to alter it's constitution. I'm as upset as the next person that Prop 8 passed. I think the No on 8 campaign was pathetic, and the LDS church should be satisfied with the state it already owns. But the system is the system, and it makes a laughing stock of both the CA constitution and the CA supreme court to have a 'constitution' so easily amended and revised. The founders of this nation were not so foolish, making amendments very difficult and deliberative to pass. If I hear one more commenter (on any number of sites) say this is about 'the will of the people' I'll scream. Thomas Jefferson and the rest knew all too well about 'the will of the people' so they took great pains to make sure it was not what goverened us.


  • Name: Jon Barclay
    Date posted: 2008-12-04 12:25 PM
    Hometown: Eagle Mountain, Utah

    Comment:

    The backlash against the LDS church is ironic when you consider that it simply was the best at getting it's members to support a cause. What about the Catholic priest who called voting for Barack Obama a sin? In my mind it is entirely different to ask your members to support a cause than to proclaim judgment on someone based on their political choice. Where is the outrage there? When do we see the protests on the catholic churches? I did not support Prop 8 but my church would never call me a sinner because of it, and they certainly did not tell me who to vote for. If we want equality for people we need to focus on changing peoples minds not getting revenge on a religion.


  • Name: Steve
    Date posted: 2008-12-04 12:12 PM
    Hometown: Carson City

    Comment:

    Thank you for this fair and accurate report. It is a step in restoring civil discourse in this country--something we seem to be lacking. We have to be able to respect each others' rights to be able to have (and express) different points of view. To Alan: there is an old saying in the "cult of Christianity" that says, "do unto others as you would have them do unto you". I think another good place to start in restoring civility is to stop with the name-calling and generalizations. I think we would all do well to remember and keep the playground rules we all learned in kindergarten.


  • Name: Bob
    Date posted: 2008-12-04 11:59 AM
    Hometown: Bloomington

    Comment:

    Hey, Shelly Girl...how about this 'STAY OUT OF MY LIFE WITH YOUR RELIGIOUS DOGMA'...so quit quit and quit already. The Reformed Jews accept same sex relationships as do the Unitarians...so who are the Mormons to put pressure on something that should be a civil matter...no one is asking the Mormon church to accept us. I have 35 yrs in with my partner, we are old and reaching the end of our days, if one goes first, the other could be in a world of hurt because we don't have the protections of 'marriage' .... so shut up already and get with reality...this is about 'legal' not 'spiritual' matters. I would be there grumbling with you if it was to force someone to recognize my relationship in their private religious life, but darlin, this is about $$$$$$$...and visiting rights, etc...so think again!


  • Name: Alan Crowe
    Date posted: 2008-12-04 10:41 AM
    Hometown: Bixter. Shetland Isles.

    Comment:

    Becky, I wonder why with 3,000 (give or take) sects that make up the cult of Christianity, did you choose the Morons? They, like all the rest, subjugate women. It baffles me why ANY woman would want anything to do with ANY religion.


  • Name: Maud
    Date posted: 2008-12-03 11:32 PM
    Hometown: Palm Springs

    Comment:

    If the CA gay community made marriage a priority like the Mormons did, they would have emptied their savings accounts and donated hours of time, standing on street corners waving signs prior to the election, or did whatever it took to get their vote out. Priorities are defined as where you put your time and money, and the Mormons came through big time for what they believe.


  • Name: Paul
    Date posted: 2008-12-03 8:31 PM
    Hometown: New York

    Comment:

    It's far from nonsense when a rich religion with billions behind it, pays a lot of money to deny the rights of a group of Americans. The Mormons have no right to interfere with the civil rights of gays and lesbians who are looking for the same rights that all other Americans have. You bet that it's hatred and fear that has led this small-minded religion to cause so much pain and heartache. Perhaps it's time we put a proposition on the ballot that insane religions that advocate men getting their own planets (and the women who have to serve them for eternity, as Mormons believe) shouldn't be allowed to be married and "recruit" others to their "deviant" lifestyle.


  • Name: ShellyGirl
    Date posted: 2008-12-03 2:40 PM
    Hometown: Morgan, Utah

    Comment:

    Why can't anyone accept the real reason the Mormons got involved along with the other churches? IT WAS TO PRESERVE THE DEFINITION OF MARRIAGE. Quit with all the other reasons. Quit, quit, quit. No hate, no undue influence, and not one commercial that mentioned gays, only traditional marriage and the reason to protect the definition. And yes, they are very organized....can you say hurricane relief? Enough of this nonsense.


  • Name: Becky
    Date posted: 2008-12-03 2:37 PM
    Hometown: Seattle

    Comment:

    Hell no. To your very first question. This is one of the first issues the LDS Church has taken a stand on years. If you think we are the new religious right, you need to work on your journalism skills.


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