Dan Savage

Dan Savage

Why does the idea of marriage equality freak out
Christian conservatives in this country?

They hate us. They really hate us. They are
honestly fearful that if the world isn’t a
hostile place for gays and lesbians, their children who are
gay will come out. This is all about Alan Keyes, for
example, preferring Maya Keyes being closeted and
miserable and “right with God” than Maya
getting it into her head that she can live a full, ethical,
open, and out life as a lesbian.

You take on Pennsylvania senator Rick Santorum in this
book. Any thoughts on his main spokesman’s
coming out as gay?

I don’t think that Rick Santorum really
believes the things that he says about gay people;
otherwise, he couldn’t have an openly gay staffer. If
gay people are such a threat to his marriage, how is it that
he can work so closely with a faggot all day long and
go home to his wife and not have his relationship
crumble? Either he doesn’t believe it, or he’s
a stinking hypocrite.

I think a lot of
[politicians are antigay] because it excites the
grannies into writing the checks and voting their way.
It’s a cheap way for Americans to be morally
right. It costs most Americans nothing to be antigay
personally. It would cost a lot of Americans to be
antipornography or anti-adultery or anti–premarital

What can gay men and lesbians do to convince
middle-of-the-road American voters to support
equal marriage rights?
I’m 40. I came out in 1979–80, right
before the stories got written about this new, scary
“gay cancer.” We all thought we were going to
die; we all thought we were going to be rounded up and
put into camps. We all thought it was the end of this
moment in history when gay people could live openly.
And it wasn’t, and this moment is equally as dark,
but it will not be the end.

What we did back
then is that we fought back. We will win the argument
around this; we just have to make the argument. We have to
engage. We have to fight and scream and yell and
organize and give money to groups we think are

In the book, D.J. at first doesn’t want you and
Terry to get married and then changes his mind.
How does he feel about your marriage now?
You can see why it is in a child’s best interest
for parents to do this. It matters to him in a way
that he can’t articulate and doesn’t
really understand. [Terry and I are] a kind of base camp. As
[D.J.] moves out into the world more, he’s
going to leave behind more but also rely on more for a
foundation and a sense of safety. We have strengthened that
foundation by making this promise. There’s no other
way to do it. Kids get marriage, kids get family. It
matters to him that he has cousins and grandmas.
He’s really obsessed with how he’s connected
to other people and how Terry and I are connected to
each other.

Final question: Are you going to send copies of your book
to the Robertsons and Falwells of the world?

Those folks read me pretty closely. Every once
in a while I’ll write something and
it’ll pop up on their Web sites and they scream and
yell. I think that Concerned Women for America will be
scouring over a copy of the book, and I’d
rather they buy it.

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